The sleeping giant is back. With yesterday’s announcement of the new Windows Phone 7 I believe we are seeing the rise of Phone 7 as the iPhone killer. Forget Android, this is the one you need to pay attention to.
Why? Scale, style and apps are the key reasons. Not to mention one of the longest computing heritages and a suite of services that range from business to entertainment, browsing and searching.
The Windows Phone 7 hooks this all together in a way that puts the market on its head. Instead of emulating what others have done, Microsoft has taken a radical approach to the phone. I give you 7 reasons why I believe this is the one.
1. Tiles
From the get go, this just looks better. The tile function of the screen replaces the icon displays seen on the iPhone and the Android with living breathing tiles. Just picking up the phone you can see what is going on in your world without opening any app.
I know we can have push notifications on the iPhone and alerts on the Android but they both require some element of effort. The push notifications don’t always hang around on your iPhone and on the Nexus I have to slide the thing down and then read through the various bits.
This delivery of information is just one example of how Microsoft are looking to fully innovate with this phone, not just deliver a version of what the market is used to.
2. Hub Strategy
The Hub strategy is core for Windows Phone 7 and it makes a lot of sense. So, I will have a music hub in the shape of the Zune app. But this app is not restricted to content I have uploaded to, or bought in Zune, but all the music content on my ‘phone. On my iPhone I have many music apps, each with different content. I have to remember where my music is before I can play it. With the 7 I can access my music in the various apps, or I can have a centralised hub of music.
Take the hub strategy across to other content, like business documents and Office becomes the business hub. This strategy gives me the best of both worlds, I can use my preferred app or I can find it in the main hub. Smart.
3. Sexy Apps, Lots of Apps
It’s all about the apps. We saw some great app demonstrations yesterday from some of the biggest names in Apps. Seesmic, Foursquare, Shazam, the Associated Press – all bringing apps to the 7. So, we don’t need to worry about not having the big names you are used to. It looks like they are already lining up to come on board.
Quality Apps - the demonstrations we saw yesterday (longer post here) all looked awesome with plenty of depth, functionality and interaction. These apps were developed in 3 weeks running the new Silverlight platform announced yesterday. With around six months before the 7 will be released there is plenty of time to further develop great apps.
Try before you buy - forget this lite/pro app business. You get to download the app as a trial. The functionality for the trial is core to the new Silverlight toolbox, so it is down to the app developers to decide the best way for the trial. Some apps may be fully functional but on a limited trial time. Other apps may have limited functionality or the first few levels of a game.
4. Games
Did we mention games? Forget Flight Control, how about full on XBOX action on your phone? The graphics look up to it and the game levels, credits and achievements will be recorded against your Live profile.
This cross performance works on a number of levels. Not only will you be able to continue playing your XBOX games on the phone (we don’t know right now if you can play all of them) but also that it remembers you across platforms so you can pick up where you left off when at home in front of your XBOX. In a sense, this is what Sony has been trying to achieve with the PSP/PS3 hook up, but with all the other mobile bits added.
If the 7 can be an awesome entertainment platform as well as the business platform of Microsoft’s heritage, this could be amazing.
5. A Great App Marketplace
One of the initial stumbling blocks for Android was the Market. Not only did it not have as many apps as ITunes, the actual interface was horrible (that’s a technical term.) The new market interface is better but still hard to find stuff.
What about billing? iTunes billing is great, if you have a credit card and an iTunes account. Android again, you need a card and a Google Checkout account. So Microsoft will launch with credit card payments, operator billing, and try before you buy.
The operator billing alone should extend the potential reach of app users (anyone under 18 for starters) and offer another convenient way to buy apps.
6. Email
The 7 will have full capability to support not just Exchange accounts but all other major email providers as well. So, you don’t need to have an Exchange account to be using this for email. However, if you do have exchange, this will be a boon.
Remember, the iPhone has Exchange support but the Android does not offer Active Sync. The 7 will offer multiple exchange account sync which will also be good for business users. Let us not forget there are still a lot more people running Exchange emails than Gmail or Apple Mail. Blackberry, are you paying attention?
7. Mesh. Finally
Remember Mesh? Microsoft’s plans to sync your life across channels and platforms? It seemed a little ahead of its time back then but with the 7, finally everything comes into place. Music, work, games, contacts all come of age in one place.
What we forget (or I certainly did) is that Microsoft has all the component parts to serve my digital life. Email, Search, Gaming, Music. Until now some of those have been a bit crap, the Zune didn’t really inspire, don’t get me started on Vista and pre bing, search wasn’t too hot either.
Roll forward a year and Windows plans are coming together. With the phone the potential centre of my digital universe I tend to gravitate to the platform that gives me the greatest experience to hook them all together. The iPhone gets better but doesn’t perfectly integrate my Google life. Nor does Android completely – Gmail, Google apps yes but other accounts like Google Finance still don’t hook up.
Microsoft is the sleeping giant. Historically not as sexy as Apple, and not as fast as Google. The 7 phone is the show piece if not the centre piece of their empire which will help them back on the path to greatness.
Of course this post assumes Microsoft can get the hardware right. We have seen some great things, beautiful graphics, great games but will the hardware be up to it? Multi tasking is not coming which is probably a smart reason to manage the hardware drain. No doubt they will be working hard to find the right partners to deliver the best handset possible. A glitch in the hardware could be the undoing of such great potential.
Until we start to see handsets in the wild, I will remain with my view that this is the iPhone Killer. You heard it here first.
UPDATED: since we published this post a lot of new stuff happened. We even went so far as to publish a new post titled “Why Windows Phone 7 Is Dead On Arrival“. Amazing huh? But we also have more positive stuff like the leaked Dell Windows 7 phone, a bunch of beautiful screenshots AND real Windows 7 Phone videos!
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Seriously, this is the first thing from Microsoft that has actually got me excited.
3 Reasons why it isn't the iphone killer: http://bit.ly/9FNYW6
I have to admit I wasn't expecting big things from the new mobile.
I give it a solid “meh”, and stand by my day-1 statement:
The only thing that will kill the iPhone is another iPhone.
Is it a beautiful piece? Sure. Will it convert -some- iPhone and Android users? You bet.
Will it kill the iPhone? Not a snowball's chance.
This won't kill the iPhone but it will sure keep the rest on it's toes. But just like the iPhone – it suits people who don't mind lock-in but it isn't that attractive to those who want a bit of freedom.
Of course the iPhone only does one of those three things, and the sideloading is only happening within th e iPhone store, so for example you can't download an app directly from a website.
How many times are we going to see/hear the words, “THE iPhone killer”??? It ain't happening folks! Apple has already established a precedence that no one can seem to grasp or follow. Even if it did surpass all the functionality of the iPhone, Microsoft PR has a HUGE hurdle to climb, as far as, not only making 7 look “cooler” to consumers, but Microsoft in general. Not gonna happen folks. You heard it here first. :)
Wow, this isn't riddled with any hype. 100% spin-free. Totally unbiased…and the author knows nothing about marketing;)
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I love the way they generated a novelty factor by replacing icons to tiles .. and also organising information based on user tastes. the whole algorithm is different to treat user infomation.
Nothing is going to “kill” the iPhone, but things like Android 2.0 and Windows 7 are making their OS paradigm look and feel outdated. Apple set the bar, but competition begins to raise it where Apple will have to make some changes to keep that edge.
Android, as long as it stays open-source, will always be the ideal platform, IMO.
It's a bit early to claim Windows Phone 7 as an iPhone killer… Time will tell… However I agree that Windows Phone 7 (if the change the name to something cool and make sure the hardware will be designed in Italy) does have a fair change to claim a stop in the Smart Phone world..
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As long as it slows down the iFanboys' squawking, I'll take three of them. Seriously, the kill word is getting very old. Every time a new platform comes out its going to “kill the iPhone”. Given its relatively small global market share for phones, and smartphones, the press should lay off. iPhone hasn't killed any platforms (although Jobs is trying his arrogant best), nobody is going away. Innovation and competition are good, and M$ is once again a major player.
Does it have mobile billing / sms billing? This will open it up as a business platform (yes a 1st, 2nd and 3rd World business platform) than is set to explode over the next few years. Does it have a feature like the iPhone Square peripheral, that allows you to swipe credit cards with the phone itself? And isn't Apple releasing iPhone 4.0 soon?
Me too. Im 100% Apple and have never really liked anything from Microsoft, but this phone really looks impressive.
Cant wait to get my hands on one.
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Mesh is a dumb reason. No one really wants to sync their music with their phone. It takes forever to sync music and movies, even over WiFi or 3G. It's easier to just drag and drop, folder to folder and much much faster. Oh wait. Windows Phone 7 doesn't have that capability. It may, but you'll HAVE to go to the Marketplace and BUY it. I'm sorry. I will never pay for an app that I use once a month. That is just a stupid waste of money and everyone that does it is an idiot. An app that I use 12 times a year is not worth $4.99. It's worth 12 cents. Tiles and hubs are great, but not unless I can customize them. And you can't do that with Windows Phone 7.
The thing is, Microsoft IS “cooler” technically speaking. They still hold the marketshare champ
All I want is my contacts to sync with google
It looks like it's going to be a contender in the mobile market. I doubt it'll be an iPhone killer; simply, because the iPhone has saturated the consumer base and has become that comfortable/familiar standard. People are unwilling to change, but if manufacturers can keep their prices down, it will compete. The only thing that will kill the iPhone is lack of innovation. When it first arrived, it was the “Holy Grail” of phones, but it's gradually losing it's edge without any major noticeable improvements from the previous iterations. Unless Apple brings something new to the table, the iPhone will peter out .
I've had both platforms and right now I own an iPhone just because of the user interface. I don't like the fact that I have to get applications thru iTunes and just can't put my own 'one off' apps on the iPhone.
Unless the processor speed in the first win7 phone is a real kicker then it will be a dreary experience.
I wouldn't mind giving up my iPhone but I'm waiting until I can play with one of the 7 phones extensively before I give it up.
Oh please … this is _really_ the best UI that Microsoft can come up with ? Am I looking at wireframes or a finished product ? I really hope they are joking, maybe an early April fools joke ?
Windows 7 phone is just another failed Microsoft attempt at gaining back massively lost market share. They are losing that market share because lets face it, most of their products are just crap. Shortly after release people who buy them will only realize its just another Windows mobile device that will have nothing but problems and short comings.
If anything is going to be an “iPhone killer” it sure as hell isn't going to come from Microsoft.
This article reminds of a study that came out prior to the Rune going live that showed that 80% of iPod users were inclined to purchase the Rune over a next generation iPod as their next portable music device. Didn't pan out, wonder why? I actually thought this article was written tongue in cheek, I felt it oozed with sarcasm throughout. Maybe I just misread it.
First off i'm a total Apple Fanboy but this looks awesome especially coming from Microsoft. I know I will never buy one and am to fan boyish to give up my Apple ways but anytime Apple certainly needs some competition when it comes to the iPhone. Maybe this will drive them to make some of the needed changes like flash and multi tasking.
phones are FAR FAR FAR away from playing xbox 360 games..
Seriously? Nothing but the tiles part seems to be something unique – and that is something which can easily be made available on iPhone or Android. And remember, Nokia uses tiles and so did Sony Ericsson in their last windows phone. In my opinion; the small apps are the ones which make the phone really exciting… and not just the big Apps (almost all the big apps are available for Nokia but it has failed to excite US audience).
Yeah, but there's a little problem. Nobody actually uses any of the Microsoft-branded copies of popular apps and websites. Nobody owns a Zune. Nobody uses Microsoft Live… what is that anyway? Nobody uses Exchange unless they are forced to at work.
No way in hell this is an iPhone killer.. an Android killer.. maybe… just maybe
While I can make no guesses about whether or not it will kill anything, what people tend to forget about the mobile market is that people change their phone like they change their underwear (meaning: relatively often even if not every day). This isn't a laptop or PC (which is more like suit, worn a few times and kept for much longer than underwear generally). The iPhone's market share won't count for much when people have a different phone every six months. A better comparison might be gaming platforms. No one thought Xbox would be a player, much less beat Sony. No one gave any serious weight to Nintendo, but last I checked it smacked everyone down pretty hard. In very short periods of time these championship belts have changed hands. It's even quicker in the mobile phone world. Apple has done a great job, but they still need to vigorously defend the title in this arena.
You forgot the “not”
+1 to that. Microsoft's products tend to market themselves into market share rather than merit.
The proof that consumers of MS products are using emotions to fuel decisions instead of logic, is when people line up at midnight to buy an operating system. Think about that for a second. It's a goddamn operating system and you're buying it like you buy Angels & Airwaves tickets. Or Weezer. Or any of my favorite intelligent bands that I choose to plug on here. At midnight? really? You can't even use it until you install it, yet you couldn't wait until morning, or the next day, or another month?
This article lays the hype on thick, markets the features, but has little in terms of actual specs, benchmarks, real life tests, durability info, materials, etc. I feel like I'm reading an online pamphlet, not a critical review.
Well I for one, will wait for a more critical review. You will not pull on my heart strings with hype alone,
Do I have an axe to grind? yes I do. I've been traumatized by MS marketing. Weaned in by glossy looks, then let down by hidden DRM surprises, red rings on my xbox, shady dvd info reporting on Media Player 10+, buggy software, counter intuitive menus, poorly thought out features, and shitty help systems. I choose to wait for peer reviews. I trust a friend who's had it a week way more than any reviewer without benchmarks of Nexus One vs Iphone 3GS vs. Whatever this thing turns out to be.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me more than ten times, I write an article.
Love,
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Uhhhh…. this looks pretty awesome. I'm still digging Android though, so until I actually play around with this for a few weeks, testing battery life/speed/functionality, etc…. it's all just a nice thought.
yeah right. the iphone still rules supreme because of its apps.
because no one lined up for the iphone right?
1. Tiles – I don't see how this is different from how the iPhone operates. Tiles = big icons. iPhone icons show the number of calls or notifications waiting just like windows 7 phone shown above. Also, i'm not sure what is meant by 'effort' required for push notifications.
2. Hub – Why is having many music apps with different music spread all over the place better than iPod where your music is all in one place? That doesn't even make sense.
3. Apps – It's well established that Apple has the biggest app store in the world. Try before you buy is exactly the same as a FREE lite app vs. a paid PRO app on the iPhone. This isn't better or even different from the iPhone.
4. Games – XBOX integration is neat. Except I don't own an XBOX.
5. App Billing – Instead of one app vendor I have to worry about trusting my credit card with each individual app vendor? This is better?
6. Email – I thought this article was titled iPhone killer, but iPhone has had Exchange support for a long time. So I guess this is really just reasons why windows 7 is catching up with iPhone?
7. Mesh – another thing the iPhone already has. iTunes syncs with your library on your computer which you can play through AppleTV or Apple AirTunes.
Then you talk about Microsoft getting the “hardware” right. Unfortunatly for MS, they aren't building the hardware. Windows 7 phone is just an OS for phone manufacturers to use and screw up.
So, I see how you tried to come up with 7 items to match the Windows 7 name but it was quite a stretch. I'm glad to see MS finally making some progress after the Vista debacle, but iPhone killer? I don't think so. XBOX integration was the only truly unique offer here. You should write more about that.
I will agree however that Pink Floyd rules.
nothing will ever convince the apple fanboys that the iphone will not be the best phone ever for all people for all time. it's a strange phenomenon to see, people devoted to a company that exploits their devotion for profit.
For those of us who buy things based on rational comparison, Windows 7 phones do stack up very nicely against anything shipping from Apple. They certainly seem to do some things the iphone cannot do at all, and some things better than the iphone does them. It will be interesting to see how actual products do at delivering the potential the system has.
The one reason this isn't an iPhone killer.
1. Microsoft
I'd still go with google/ android platform. sexy and a few kinks isnt much. the way android has evolved and the pace is scorching. microsoft will sleep again after windows 7. they are so used to it and typical of microsoft. the moment they conquer a market they will most definitely be comatose.
God, who cares what phone kills off iphone.
I absolutely hate iPhones. I had a 3Gs and got rid of it after a month. But the iPhone has brought something to the table that every other mobile device failed to bring. Interface polish. I absolutely love the fact that apple forced every other mobile manufacturer out there to get their heads out of their behinds and start churning out better more integrated and polished handsets.
So, I don't want to see the iPhone killed off. In fact I want to see it flourished so that dumb smartphone owners can stick to one device while everyone else gets a better experience through competitive pressure.
Someone's getting a kickback…
Firstly, I wish someone could invent a PC keyboard that delivers a strong electric shock every time someone types “iPhone Killer” on it. The term is just silly, in every market place there are niche's, the iPhone is music-phone device with an incredible range of apps, for mobile business users there are the Blackberry's with their strong email-phone orientation. Android is designed to fill the geek-space, with massive customisation. The one that has been left behind is WinMo, as a user of a WinMo 6.5 device, I am extremely excited about Android, the sooner iI can get rid of my current phone the better (even taking a large penalty on my contract to get rid of it)
Some comments:
1) Tiles – This has been available on all HTC phones for some time now (minus the facebook updates – which look too small to use, and is called the friendstream on Android), and is definitely not innovation. I would say that the buttons need to be touch sized and not blocky screen fillers. Looks like an ugly waste of home screen real-estate to me. The one in the demo doesnt even have space for a clock?
2) Hub strategy – This is just a fancy name for side scrolling menus, my long forgotten iPod from years ago had this.
3 & 5) Apps – Designed to be crippleware (built in systems to expire apps), all apps need to be approved by Microsoft – so how are you going to get to the same app store size as the iphone?
4) Games – sounds good, but all speculation…
5) Email – All 3 alternatives have pop and browser mail. Still no copy-paste in the release Rom?
6) Mesh – Sounds a lot like a non-shared version Google's wave to me.
The rest of the article was just a blatant Microsoft advert for a Beta OS without a device yet? Well at least we heard it here first, rather thatn the 1000 other articles on this since the announcement of Windows Phone 7…
Rob
Rune = Zune?
I wish it was sacrastic….
All the lockout and forced purchases of the iPhone – the parts that Android users love?
The first release will be riddled with bugs, and a thin UI, and users will be forced to wait for SP1 or use modded Roms. (Same as my Winmo 6.5 hell for the last year)
You heard it here first…
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None these points is a Iphone killer
Microsoft Has a hard time with app. anyway and their marketplace is poor
Xbox games I do not think they will run good on a phone (by the way no one has Xbox games anymore.)
Microsoft has fallen behind in the phone OS market the android os,iphone os and even web os are better than Windows 7 phone OS.
but Microsoft stock shares sucks do not invest with them :(
The same happened to Nokia. It was the best. Why can't it happen to Apple?
The same happened to Rome and to UK, then it came USA.
Apple could be like Nokia or Rome, it does not have it first place guaranteed for life.
Why would I want a phone that doesn't have the best functionality?
The same happened to Nokia. It was the best. Why can't it happen to Apple?
The same happened to Rome and to UK, then it came USA.
Apple could be like Nokia or Rome, it does not have it first place guaranteed for life.
Why would I want a phone that doesn't have the best functionality?
Goodness, another iPhone killer! It's a good thing all those other iPhone killers didn't kill the iPhone, or people might have to start thinking up good article titles.
Windows 7 does look pretty awesome though. A big decider will be how well they've handled touch though; very few phones come close to the responsiveness of the iPhone in regards to touch, hopefully the phones Windows 7 launches on are won't lose out on that.
Totally agree with you, most of my friend would call me a Mac Fanboy but I'm not going to dismiss the fact that it looks impressive. I saw Cali Lewis's hands on demo of it and it was smooth. Also some of the videos out of GDC show it's gaming capability and made me wonder if it actually had some form of PhysX or at list a faux PhysX which is still pretty amazing. I could see people playing something like Killzone Liberation or Starcraft 2 on this. Well I've always begrudgingly had a positive feeling about it so check out the review of it on baduku. http://www.baduku.com/topics/microsoft-windows-…
If you can see flaws with an Apple product and praise something from their competitor, you're not a fanboy.
This was funny! Good job … I've heard the joke before (“iPhone Killer”) but haven't heard it articulated like this in days. Best punchline: “until we start to see handsets in the wild.”
Yeah, thist article seems to be poor marketing trick.
it doesn;t even have cut/copy and paste! It won't even kill wm6.5!
Type your comment here. Plus I don't believe for a second they can integrate XBOX games on the phone. The XBOX has a 700+ MHz processor plus a video card to aid it. i don't see how that can be ported on a small, battery reliable phone. Will see, but I bet it will be another junk from Microsoft …
Forget Android, really? Whilst those who are loyal to the Ballamer crows at Redmond, may eschew the windows world, is it not the main point here of the underlying usability of the OS? Android whatever you may view its sins to be remains fully open source, which not only means handset providers are free to adapt it to the best of their devices, but us lowly developers can create unlimited applications, for our own use and for the Android market, without fear of reprisals, nor profiteering as in the case with the iPhone. End users, benefit from free and low priced apps of choice, or make their own if they should feel that way inclined.
To say the least, Open Source is perhaps becoming the fastest growing technological approach to software development in the tech world, its good for consumers and manufacturers alike. Both Microsoft and Apple need to address their lack of knowledge and awareness of the benefits of open source, and get of the greed machine for a while, take a leaf at of Google's book, and enjoy the community a bit more.
You can easily dash a bit of makeup on with widgets, tiles and fancy screens, but at the end of the day its a piece of hardware which is maximized only by its software. Apple has to learn that and Microsoft is the passenger here, so pay attention, no matter how hard Microsoft push, they are still Microsoft, and we all know the problems that come with that. Just take a look at web browsers, whats the moral of that story?
The only iPhone killer is the iPhone itself, its lack of a JVM and Flash Support are going to eventually be Apples drowning in that market, the iPad has opened up the dam, its an oversized iPod touch with no Java support, nor flash support, only apple developers (in fact only iPhone developers) have any chance of uncovering its anatomy.
Microsoft is going the same way, this phone is only another cheap Marketing gimmick, aimed at the largely un-technical of us, who like form over function, and in that guize its trying to imitate Apple, but it aint' gonna work' Apple have the head start (and maybe the head finish here), so sont waste your words,
a nice phone it is, but Android have the edge on the OS and Apple on the Hardware, save your words until there is a real threat out there like Microsoft going Open Source with Windows!
5. App billing – “What about billing? iTunes billing is great, if you have a credit card and an iTunes account. Android again, you need a card and a Google Checkout account.”
That's just proved that both iPhone and Android are better than the Windows 7 phone in this respect.
As others have said, there is one massive problem this phone will always struggle to overcome -> Microsoft.
and no one is going to line up for the iPad either hey?
I'm not sure if the commenter before you was being sarcastic!
For once, i'm rooting for Microsoft here. The underdog?
i have owned Iphones to this day, but I think my next phone might be a MS phone. Can you say full Office integration/collaboration for Biz + Netflix streaming + Social Hub + Xbox Live? How can apple compete? Oh yeah and there is this issue of now not having to buy music trough all you can eat music (Zune subscription flat fee). It fits my life!!!!
one comment and that's all i have to say..”VIRUSES”!!!! watch how long it takes for the mighty microsoft to start suggesting anti virus apps for a phone? No way will this phone make it..except for some die hard PC nerds.. Apple has and always will be ahead of the curve and has a solid phone that keeps evolving rapidly and always works seamless with all its products and PC..if you have a problem with your iphone..well.. you simply need to go back to the old flip phones..Apple has cornered the smartphone market for a time to come people… DEAL WITH IT!!
Maybe a contender… not a killer.
What’s Redmond paying you for this?
Calling a competitor an iPhone killer is a pretty bold move. People have been at it for the last two years, and have failed every single time. Look me in the eye and tell me this will kill the iPhone. Do it.
“Forget Android, this is the one you need to pay attention to.”
Seriously, what’s Redmond paying you for this?
Sorry, but the “plays Xbox games” part is bullshit. No Xbox 360 game will play on WP7 phones.
They are providing a way to make cross-platform PC/360/WP7 games in the form of XNA, except the WP7 profile is severely downgraded. Which means, at most, that porting might be easy if you plan ahead.
I must say that I am seriously tempted to get a Windows Phone 7 phone. For all the above reasons.
As a developer, the major enticement is the fact that I can write my own apps for the phone for free.
Having an iPhone and an AppleTv, I'm pretty heavily invested into iTunes store content. That is the big thing holding me back. If Microsoft could get their software to authenticate files with Apple's DRM servers,t his would be the cherry on the top. The media hub is certainly indicative of Microsoft embracing content irrespective of its origin.
Finally, I assume that the phone syncs with Microsoft's beautiful Zune software. iTunes as a software program is terrible and the Zune software out does it six ways to Sunday. Again, another big plus.
All the above having being said. I'm wondering what apple will do to respond to this. They clearly have a huge task ahead of them. Microsoft is cleverly tapping into the large install base of Windows and Xbox Live games, the large install base of Mesh, the huge install base of visual studio and Silverlight developers and finally,t he huge install base of Exchange servers. These are four constituencies that Apple does not have any worthy alternative (unless one counts the pitiful Exchange support in the iPhone).
This is clearly Microsoft playing to its strengths and not its weaknesses. They are playing this on their own rules, on their terms and and on their own turf.
This is why competition works.
I must say that I am seriously tempted to get a Windows Phone 7 phone. For all the above reasons.
As a developer, the major enticement is the fact that I can write my own apps for the phone for free.
Having an iPhone and an AppleTv, I'm pretty heavily invested into iTunes store content. That is the big thing holding me back. If Microsoft could get their software to authenticate files with Apple's DRM servers,t his would be the cherry on the top. The media hub is certainly indicative of Microsoft embracing content irrespective of its origin.
Finally, I assume that the phone syncs with Microsoft's beautiful Zune software. iTunes as a software program is terrible and the Zune software out does it six ways to Sunday. Again, another big plus.
All the above having being said. I'm wondering what apple will do to respond to this. They clearly have a huge task ahead of them. Microsoft is cleverly tapping into the large install base of Windows and Xbox Live games, the large install base of Mesh, the huge install base of visual studio and Silverlight developers and finally,t he huge install base of Exchange servers. These are four constituencies that Apple does not have any worthy alternative (unless one counts the pitiful Exchange support in the iPhone).
This is clearly Microsoft playing to its strengths and not its weaknesses. They are playing this on their own rules, on their terms and and on their own turf.
This is why competition works.
Microsoft Marketing Strategy Number 1: “Produce something that is on the market for about 4-5 years, then tell everyone that is THE NEW THING out now, THE KILLER! – Just don't let anyone know that you're are actually the very last one coming up with it – and probably in the worst-functioning way of all”.
Strongly disagree. Windows 7 is a sorry excuse for an operating system. It crashes alot and at time becomes slower then a snail. It is not user friendly at all.
This article has sure stirred up emotion from some in the Apple community. :) In my opinion, IPhone is fun but not yet secure enough for business as BlackBerry. If Windows can come up with something that is the best of both worlds then kudos. Let's play devil's advocate for a minute. If you do the math, Windows users far exceed Mac so if Windows fully integrates their new phone with your existing Windows PC/Laptop OS versions XP+ then which phone would be the obvious choice? There are still many ifs in this equation so the proof will be in the pudding.
Every new smart phone promises to be an iPhone “killer.” The smart phone killers seem to think that Apple is sitting still resting on their laurels and won't progress any further than the devices that they've brought out in the past.
Excellent post man saving my money for that phone
which game is that on the “xbox games” picture?
So, let me see if I understand this right. Microsoft has been making smartphones for years. Great phones that allow you to customize them in any way you want. Operating systems that have the largest amount of freeware available of any phone. So then Apple goes and makes a smartphone for people who apparently can't handle the learning curve of an actual smartphone, Microsofts great idea? Dumb down the Windows Mobile platform, lock things up so they can't be customer altered (like Iphone) and in general make it a smartphone for the not so smart.
Why the hell did it take the Iphone for people to start using smartphones? I've been using palm and Windows Mobile for years, and find windows mobile (especially since 5) to be the best phone based operating system ever. Easy to alter, flexible, nearly unlimited selection of apps. Now we have this. Depressing.
Wow … Killer … especially the sexy apps …
Yep they lined up like cows to a slaughter.
I thought the exact same thing when i read all this, they aren't coming out with a new break through phone they are just coming out with an iPhone wannabe. The xbox integration is nice but what you need to remember is that xbox games are designed to be played on the xbox, with a controller. they simply are not phone games, i have tried tons of games that came out on a console then they created it for a phone and every time it sucked. This phone will not kill the iPhone, i don't think the iphone will die for a long time.
Biggest difference is the Microsoft allows open development. Where as Apple makes you go through their crappy iTunes App store to do anything at all.
The Zune platform outshines anything iTunes offers. iTunes duplicates songs over and over again and Apple has NEVER addressed the issue or even developed anything to allow a fix for it.
Apple makes it and you have to live with it. And if you don't like it, well that's just too bad.
The Windows 7 phone will crush the iPhone!
I'm sure you don't which is why you want the iPhone and not the inferior Windows 7 phone.
Bottom line is Windows 7 phone have a long way to go to kill the iphone after reading this review looks like it is the other way around Windows 7 phone killed by iPhone. I think it's going to be for a long while before any company can come out with a phone like Apple iPhone.
Jamie, when is your failtrain taking a stop? In Microsoft fail city. See how lame this comment is, well, your article is even lamer. The only iphone killer is a hammer, n00b
the first in the race to suck up to microshite? i don't think their ethic and philosophy will ever allow them to go beyond the poor imitation of genuinely innovative companies' products.
What's Apple paying you for that inane comment?
Seriously, what are they paying you?
Because they should demand a refund.
What's Apple paying you for that inane comment?
Seriously, what are they paying you?
Because they should demand a refund.
What's Apple paying you for that inane comment?
Seriously, what are they paying you?
Because they should demand a refund.
What's Apple paying you for that inane comment?
Seriously, what are they paying you?
Because they should demand a refund.
What's Apple paying you for that inane comment?
Seriously, what are they paying you?
Because they should demand a refund.
What's Apple paying you for that inane comment?
Seriously, what are they paying you?
Because they should demand a refund.
What's Apple paying you for that inane comment?
Seriously, what are they paying you?
Because they should demand a refund.
What's Apple paying you for that inane comment?
Seriously, what are they paying you?
Because they should demand a refund.
What's Apple paying you for that inane comment?
Seriously, what are they paying you?
Because they should demand a refund.
Nice comeback, commenter! That was really clever!
The point I’m making is that all we’ve heard since the iPhone came out is that everything else will be “the iPhone killer”… and none of them have been. I seriously doubt that Windows Phone 7 Series will kill the iPhone.
It is, in fact, possible to have more than one successful product in a market, by the way. iPhone doesn’t have to go away for Windows Phone 7 Series or Android or WebOS to be successful. iPhone didn’t kill the BlackBerry, but it’s still a huge hit; the same can be true for Windows Phone.
Nice comeback, commenter! That was really clever!
The point I’m making is that all we’ve heard since the iPhone came out is that everything else will be “the iPhone killer”… and none of them have been. I seriously doubt that Windows Phone 7 Series will kill the iPhone.
It is, in fact, possible to have more than one successful product in a market, by the way. iPhone doesn’t have to go away for Windows Phone 7 Series or Android or WebOS to be successful. iPhone didn’t kill the BlackBerry, but it’s still a huge hit; the same can be true for Windows Phone.
Nice comeback, commenter! That was really clever!
The point I’m making is that all we’ve heard since the iPhone came out is that everything else will be “the iPhone killer”… and none of them have been. I seriously doubt that Windows Phone 7 Series will kill the iPhone.
It is, in fact, possible to have more than one successful product in a market, by the way. iPhone doesn’t have to go away for Windows Phone 7 Series or Android or WebOS to be successful. iPhone didn’t kill the BlackBerry, but it’s still a huge hit; the same can be true for Windows Phone.
i am always amazed by how deeply apple fanboys live in a state of delusion and how happy they are to demonstrate it.
what makes you think the iphone was a “huge hit” to blackberry? iphone has made little impact on the business market, where blackberry does most of it's sales. iphone is a joke for serious business use and it's even banned in many businesses for it's poor integration with business systems.. a market where Microsoft dominates and Apple is nowhere to be found.
i am always amazed by how deeply apple fanboys live in a state of delusion and how happy they are to demonstrate it.
what makes you think the iphone was a “huge hit” to blackberry? iphone has made little impact on the business market, where blackberry does most of it's sales. iphone is a joke for serious business use and it's even banned in many businesses for it's poor integration with business systems.. a market where Microsoft dominates and Apple is nowhere to be found.
I think you missed the part where I said “iPhone didn’t kill the BlackBerry”. By “huge hit”, I just mean it’s been a huge success.
I think you missed the part where I said “iPhone didn’t kill the BlackBerry”. By “huge hit”, I just mean it’s been a huge success.
My wife has an iPhone. It *is* a great phone, no doubt about it. And I respect it a lot.
- But, when trying to take a *good* picture, my N95 8gb takes unquestionable better pictures.
- When my little niece want to take fun pictures with a _front_ facing camera, no luck with the iPhone; she asks for my N95.
- When there is a poor reception spot, my N95 picks up better than the iPhone 3GS.
- The phone call quality, something important in a phone, is better in N95.
- When I, or my wife, want to play some music to show to our friends without an external speaker or earphones, the N95 has clearly better and louder sound.
- In the early days of the N95 the iPhone didn't have real GPS (until recently)
- When trying to share my contact card or some ringtone or picture with friends, no luck with the iPhone and very easy by bluetooth in almost every other phone.
- …
This doesn't mean that N95 is better, it just means that for some people and for some uses, the iPhone hasn't to be the *absolute* winner of all.
Take a look to this links and see that other phones are equally good, maybe in an other dimension or style but also great:
http://www.htc.com/www/product/hero/a-closer-lo…
http://www.viddler.com/explore/engadget/videos/…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4otluRLuZ8
My wife has an iPhone. It *is* a great phone, no doubt about it. And I respect it a lot.
- But, when trying to take a *good* picture, my N95 8gb takes unquestionable better pictures.
- When my little niece want to take fun pictures with a _front_ facing camera, no luck with the iPhone; she asks for my N95.
- When there is a poor reception spot, my N95 picks up better than the iPhone 3GS.
- The phone call quality, something important in a phone, is better in N95.
- When I, or my wife, want to play some music to show to our friends without an external speaker or earphones, the N95 has clearly better and louder sound.
- In the early days of the N95 the iPhone didn't have real GPS (until recently)
- When trying to share my contact card or some ringtone or picture with friends, no luck with the iPhone and very easy by bluetooth in almost every other phone.
- …
This doesn't mean that N95 is better, it just means that for some people and for some uses, the iPhone hasn't to be the *absolute* winner of all.
Take a look to this links and see that other phones are equally good, maybe in an other dimension or style but also great:
http://www.htc.com/www/product/hero/a-closer-lo…
http://www.viddler.com/explore/engadget/videos/…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4otluRLuZ8
My wife has an iPhone. It *is* a great phone, no doubt about it. And I respect it a lot.
- But, when trying to take a *good* picture, my N95 8gb takes unquestionable better pictures.
- When my little niece want to take fun pictures with a _front_ facing camera, no luck with the iPhone; she asks for my N95.
- When there is a poor reception spot, my N95 picks up better than the iPhone 3GS.
- The phone call quality, something important in a phone, is better in N95.
- When I, or my wife, want to play some music to show to our friends without an external speaker or earphones, the N95 has clearly better and louder sound.
- In the early days of the N95 the iPhone didn't have real GPS (until recently)
- When trying to share my contact card or some ringtone or picture with friends, no luck with the iPhone and very easy by bluetooth in almost every other phone.
- …
This doesn't mean that N95 is better, it just means that for some people and for some uses, the iPhone hasn't to be the *absolute* winner of all.
Take a look to this links and see that other phones are equally good, maybe in an other dimension or style but also great:
http://www.htc.com/www/product/hero/a-closer-lo…
http://www.viddler.com/explore/engadget/videos/…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4otluRLuZ8
lol I love how it starts. Like, the first reason, is that everything is in the front page or something? The tiles system. And him saying that he doesn't have to go through sliding down…
hahaha, yea, cause you know sliding down to read takes soooooo much effort and time. I knew my iphone had a problem! It was taking a lot of my energy to SLIDE DOWN and read….
Also, what? applications? Games? Email? :s how did Microsoft even think of that? I mean, the iPhone definitely doesn't have any of those!!!
damn… lame….
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Looks nice I guess. The name is horrible… Oh whats that? Oh This,,, just the windows 7 series phone umm. Even though the phone looks nice its still important whats running underneath it! WINDOWS Fail
Looks nice I guess. The name is horrible… Oh whats that? Oh This,,, just the windows 7 series phone umm. Even though the phone looks nice its still important whats running underneath it! WINDOWS Fail
Looks nice I guess. The name is horrible… Oh whats that? Oh This,,, just the windows 7 series phone umm. Even though the phone looks nice its still important whats running underneath it! WINDOWS Fail
Looks nice I guess. The name is horrible… Oh whats that? Oh This,,, just the windows 7 series phone umm. Even though the phone looks nice its still important whats running underneath it! WINDOWS Fail
I own an iPhone, I am getting a windows 7 phone because I don't want to have to buy a mac just to write phone apps, then have to clear the “Apple Review Board”. If I write for Droid or Win7 phone, I can sell through any company I want, even my own.
ITunes on my iPhone is basicly the same as what MS is doing with their media player, just “Prettier”.
Tiles, as I understand it, are more than just icons. I believe that there is more software interact with them, like the Win 7 Task bar. It steps it up 1. Otherwise, yes, large icons.
No tethering on an iPhone unless I jailbreak it. Droid tethers. I suspect that 7 phone will tether, and if it doesn't, there are people like me who will write tether apps, that won't require jailbreak apps to open the phone to tethering.
Exchange support… old. I had that on my old motorola razr.
Mesh is more like mobile me than just desktop sync. 7 will have the std desktop sync, but then you will also be able to have access into mesh from any computer.
iPhone killer, hardly. iPhone competitor, yes.
My hope is that this causes Apple to put flash and silverlight onto the iPhones, and finally allow tethering.
I own an iPhone, I am getting a windows 7 phone because I don't want to have to buy a mac just to write phone apps, then have to clear the “Apple Review Board”. If I write for Droid or Win7 phone, I can sell through any company I want, even my own.
ITunes on my iPhone is basicly the same as what MS is doing with their media player, just “Prettier”.
Tiles, as I understand it, are more than just icons. I believe that there is more software interact with them, like the Win 7 Task bar. It steps it up 1. Otherwise, yes, large icons.
No tethering on an iPhone unless I jailbreak it. Droid tethers. I suspect that 7 phone will tether, and if it doesn't, there are people like me who will write tether apps, that won't require jailbreak apps to open the phone to tethering.
Exchange support… old. I had that on my old motorola razr.
Mesh is more like mobile me than just desktop sync. 7 will have the std desktop sync, but then you will also be able to have access into mesh from any computer.
iPhone killer, hardly. iPhone competitor, yes.
My hope is that this causes Apple to put flash and silverlight onto the iPhones, and finally allow tethering.
I own an iPhone, I am getting a windows 7 phone because I don't want to have to buy a mac just to write phone apps, then have to clear the “Apple Review Board”. If I write for Droid or Win7 phone, I can sell through any company I want, even my own.
ITunes on my iPhone is basicly the same as what MS is doing with their media player, just “Prettier”.
Tiles, as I understand it, are more than just icons. I believe that there is more software interact with them, like the Win 7 Task bar. It steps it up 1. Otherwise, yes, large icons.
No tethering on an iPhone unless I jailbreak it. Droid tethers. I suspect that 7 phone will tether, and if it doesn't, there are people like me who will write tether apps, that won't require jailbreak apps to open the phone to tethering.
Exchange support… old. I had that on my old motorola razr.
Mesh is more like mobile me than just desktop sync. 7 will have the std desktop sync, but then you will also be able to have access into mesh from any computer.
iPhone killer, hardly. iPhone competitor, yes.
My hope is that this causes Apple to put flash and silverlight onto the iPhones, and finally allow tethering.
I think Steve Jops is jumping from site to site trying to sell his toy to everyone, this iphone is a piece of crap, a brick, if you want to change the background image; you will have to consult Steve Jops, you bought it and it is in your pocket but it is not yours, try it out for a month and you will see what i mean. The iphne is the best phone in the market because of the stupid competitors. None of those competitors ever listen to our needs, any responsive device with a dedicated graphic chip and a capacitive/ sensitive touch screen will get as much reputation as the infamous iphone. By the way when Microsoft announced the Winmo7; I sold my iphone 3Gs for quarter the price, I am free man now no more itune crap in my face and no more Steve Jops blackmailing.
Funny enough when I spell check my comments I find the following words underlined with red:
Iphone
Jops
Itune
I think Steve Jops is jumping from site to site trying to sell his toy to everyone, this iphone is a piece of crap, a brick, if you want to change the background image; you will have to consult Steve Jops, you bought it and it is in your pocket but it is not yours, try it out for a month and you will see what i mean. The iphne is the best phone in the market because of the stupid competitors. None of those competitors ever listen to our needs, any responsive device with a dedicated graphic chip and a capacitive/ sensitive touch screen will get as much reputation as the infamous iphone. By the way when Microsoft announced the Winmo7; I sold my iphone 3Gs for quarter the price, I am free man now no more itune crap in my face and no more Steve Jops blackmailing.
Funny enough when I spell check my comments I find the following words underlined with red:
Iphone
Jops
Itune
Ha, ha, ha… gotta be the funniest post I've seen in a long time!
iPhone killer… bahaha!
Thanks for the chuckle Jamie!
First and foremost, any article, blog or post that claims “iPhone Killer” is either over-using a term to draw attention or simply does not understand the mobile phone market. To imply a “(insert name) killer” would mean a definite and final end to the product. That simply won't happen with any phone, especially the iPhone. Please get it straight, there are competing phones (Windows Phone 7) and there are responses to competition(new iPhone next year and iPhone OS 4), that's it. Also, by stating iPhone Killer all the time you are just reinforcing the idea that iPhone is still the top contender (notice I say idea not truth as the opinion of mobile devices is always unique to each individual and what they need).
1. Tiles
Tiles are a nice idea if it's true that more software integration is possible and more info can be shown in each tile besides just number of emails or missed calls. If crucial daily information can be shown without actually opening up an app it would be a bonus. Android has widgets to handle this and iPhone does have notification for app icons (although limited).
2. Hub Strategy
I question why the author mentions on his iPhone his music is spread around in different locations as I thought the purpose of iTunes was to keep everything located in one spot. If the meaning was streaming apps then there is no shuffling or remembering where local content is as it is streaming (therefore no local content). Zune software does the same thing as iTunes…keep things in one spot. So I'm not sure what would need to be kept track of in different locations. However, using hubs to aggregate all media content (locally by default Zune syncing) as well as radio, streaming, etc. will be helpful.
3. Sexy Apps, Lots of Apps
Sigh, this is the same as saying “iPhone Killer”, the focus/comparison is over-used now. What the focus should be on is the environment the apps are delivered in and the quality. iPhone has this nailed down by keeping control of where apps are bought from, keeping quality control on apps and how they are purchased. Microsoft has had issues with this in Windows Mobile 6.5 and earlier since apps could be purchased anywhere and everywhere. I think they're learning from that now. Apps in iPhone, Android and upcoming Windows Phone 7 have some version of “try before you by” so this is why the definitive statement “iPhone Killer” should not be used unless iPhone had NO version of trial app usage. Notice I never mention quantity as the author implies, “…Lots of Apps”. Quality and environment of delivery are more important.
4. Games
From the perspective of designing games myself I'll have to say game developers, not Microsoft, will have to tread carefully here. It's not the issue of Windows Phone 7 supporting xbox games and integrating xbox live (which is a smart decision since they have the whole xbox live atmosphere already in place), it's how game developers design the mobile versions of the xbox counterparts. Desktop and console games are interchangeable but going to a mobile platform is more tricky.
5. A Great App Marketplace
iPhone has a great app marketplace too, again, don't use “iPhone Killer” unless the other guy doesn't have the feature period. As long as Microsoft integrates the app marketplace well with the Zune software on the desktop it would be a bonus as far as easily searching for apps on the desktop and then installing them on the phone; easier to do compared to searching on a mobile device. So at least it would be in line with iTune.
6. Email
The fact that Windows Phone 7 will support exchange server nativly and active sync is obvious since it's Microsoft's own technology. Comparing that with Android or iPhone is a mute point though since exchange server is mainly used in businesses and business users will usually stick with RIM's devices since a company's tech department can easily control all aspects of the device and how it integrates with their exchange server setup and policies. Sure a small company might allow iPhones or Windows Phone 7 but larger businesses won't take that chance due to security.
7. Mesh. Finally
Apple has been the pioneer of taking many different pieces of a user's digital life and integrating it into one spot accessable from anywhere or any device that has similar design and functionality. In fact that is what Steve Jobs has always focused on since he first layed eyes on Xerox' GUI concept. Again, by stating iPhone Killer you imply that this feature trumps Apple completely. This is not the case and this arguement should be seen more of Microsoft catching up to Apple's integration and accessability model. Microsoft could never completely integrate as well as Apple since the dividing line between the two companies has always been unity versus diversity. Keeping your hardware/software under one roof is easier to control and create a singular user experience.
This article seems more like pure opinion as with any article that starts with “iPhone Killer”. Stick with simply speaking about the features of Windows Phone 7 and don't even make comparisons to the iPhone. By making comparisons you are asking the reader to “not think of a white elephant”. Also, it just reinforces that you are simply stating opinion which should remain in responses to articles and in forums…not in main articles. My post in itself is my opinion as well and can be countered by anyone with their opinion. Articles with simple facts and coverage of development of a device or technology are far more useful and rewarding than “this is better than that” content.
Speaking on opinion I will probably get an HTC Windows Phone 7 device because of the Zune/Office/Outlook intregration as I have mainly PCs in my home. I have mainly PCs since I use 3ds max and several other 3d packages that don't run on OSX (Maya not included). I make the decision based on what I need not what opinionated articles and marketing tell me. If someone needs Apple products because they want tighter integration and a simpler experience then that's what they need. Web articles should focus on facts and leave opinion to the reader.
Finally, remember, Windows Phone 7 and the hardware associated with it aren't even out yet…it's a waste of breath to make comparisons until the end of the fourth quarter.
First and foremost, any article, blog or post that claims “iPhone Killer” is either over-using a term to draw attention or simply does not understand the mobile phone market. To imply a “(insert name) killer” would mean a definite and final end to the product. That simply won't happen with any phone, especially the iPhone. Please get it straight, there are competing phones (Windows Phone 7) and there are responses to competition(new iPhone next year and iPhone OS 4), that's it. Also, by stating iPhone Killer all the time you are just reinforcing the idea that iPhone is still the top contender (notice I say idea not truth as the opinion of mobile devices is always unique to each individual and what they need).
1. Tiles
Tiles are a nice idea if it's true that more software integration is possible and more info can be shown in each tile besides just number of emails or missed calls. If crucial daily information can be shown without actually opening up an app it would be a bonus. Android has widgets to handle this and iPhone does have notification for app icons (although limited).
2. Hub Strategy
I question why the author mentions on his iPhone his music is spread around in different locations as I thought the purpose of iTunes was to keep everything located in one spot. If the meaning was streaming apps then there is no shuffling or remembering where local content is as it is streaming (therefore no local content). Zune software does the same thing as iTunes…keep things in one spot. So I'm not sure what would need to be kept track of in different locations. However, using hubs to aggregate all media content (locally by default Zune syncing) as well as radio, streaming, etc. will be helpful.
3. Sexy Apps, Lots of Apps
Sigh, this is the same as saying “iPhone Killer”, the focus/comparison is over-used now. What the focus should be on is the environment the apps are delivered in and the quality. iPhone has this nailed down by keeping control of where apps are bought from, keeping quality control on apps and how they are purchased. Microsoft has had issues with this in Windows Mobile 6.5 and earlier since apps could be purchased anywhere and everywhere. I think they're learning from that now. Apps in iPhone, Android and upcoming Windows Phone 7 have some version of “try before you by” so this is why the definitive statement “iPhone Killer” should not be used unless iPhone had NO version of trial app usage. Notice I never mention quantity as the author implies, “…Lots of Apps”. Quality and environment of delivery are more important.
4. Games
From the perspective of designing games myself I'll have to say game developers, not Microsoft, will have to tread carefully here. It's not the issue of Windows Phone 7 supporting xbox games and integrating xbox live (which is a smart decision since they have the whole xbox live atmosphere already in place), it's how game developers design the mobile versions of the xbox counterparts. Desktop and console games are interchangeable but going to a mobile platform is more tricky.
5. A Great App Marketplace
iPhone has a great app marketplace too, again, don't use “iPhone Killer” unless the other guy doesn't have the feature period. As long as Microsoft integrates the app marketplace well with the Zune software on the desktop it would be a bonus as far as easily searching for apps on the desktop and then installing them on the phone; easier to do compared to searching on a mobile device. So at least it would be in line with iTune.
6. Email
The fact that Windows Phone 7 will support exchange server nativly and active sync is obvious since it's Microsoft's own technology. Comparing that with Android or iPhone is a mute point though since exchange server is mainly used in businesses and business users will usually stick with RIM's devices since a company's tech department can easily control all aspects of the device and how it integrates with their exchange server setup and policies. Sure a small company might allow iPhones or Windows Phone 7 but larger businesses won't take that chance due to security.
7. Mesh. Finally
Apple has been the pioneer of taking many different pieces of a user's digital life and integrating it into one spot accessable from anywhere or any device that has similar design and functionality. In fact that is what Steve Jobs has always focused on since he first layed eyes on Xerox' GUI concept. Again, by stating iPhone Killer you imply that this feature trumps Apple completely. This is not the case and this arguement should be seen more of Microsoft catching up to Apple's integration and accessability model. Microsoft could never completely integrate as well as Apple since the dividing line between the two companies has always been unity versus diversity. Keeping your hardware/software under one roof is easier to control and create a singular user experience.
This article seems more like pure opinion as with any article that starts with “iPhone Killer”. Stick with simply speaking about the features of Windows Phone 7 and don't even make comparisons to the iPhone. By making comparisons you are asking the reader to “not think of a white elephant”. Also, it just reinforces that you are simply stating opinion which should remain in responses to articles and in forums…not in main articles. My post in itself is my opinion as well and can be countered by anyone with their opinion. Articles with simple facts and coverage of development of a device or technology are far more useful and rewarding than “this is better than that” content.
Speaking on opinion I will probably get an HTC Windows Phone 7 device because of the Zune/Office/Outlook intregration as I have mainly PCs in my home. I have mainly PCs since I use 3ds max and several other 3d packages that don't run on OSX (Maya not included). I make the decision based on what I need not what opinionated articles and marketing tell me. If someone needs Apple products because they want tighter integration and a simpler experience then that's what they need. Web articles should focus on facts and leave opinion to the reader.
Finally, remember, Windows Phone 7 and the hardware associated with it aren't even out yet…it's a waste of breath to make comparisons until the end of the fourth quarter.
First and foremost, any article, blog or post that claims “iPhone Killer” is either over-using a term to draw attention or simply does not understand the mobile phone market. To imply a “(insert name) killer” would mean a definite and final end to the product. That simply won't happen with any phone, especially the iPhone. Please get it straight, there are competing phones (Windows Phone 7) and there are responses to competition(new iPhone next year and iPhone OS 4), that's it. Also, by stating iPhone Killer all the time you are just reinforcing the idea that iPhone is still the top contender (notice I say idea not truth as the opinion of mobile devices is always unique to each individual and what they need).
1. Tiles
Tiles are a nice idea if it's true that more software integration is possible and more info can be shown in each tile besides just number of emails or missed calls. If crucial daily information can be shown without actually opening up an app it would be a bonus. Android has widgets to handle this and iPhone does have notification for app icons (although limited).
2. Hub Strategy
I question why the author mentions on his iPhone his music is spread around in different locations as I thought the purpose of iTunes was to keep everything located in one spot. If the meaning was streaming apps then there is no shuffling or remembering where local content is as it is streaming (therefore no local content). Zune software does the same thing as iTunes…keep things in one spot. So I'm not sure what would need to be kept track of in different locations. However, using hubs to aggregate all media content (locally by default Zune syncing) as well as radio, streaming, etc. will be helpful.
3. Sexy Apps, Lots of Apps
Sigh, this is the same as saying “iPhone Killer”, the focus/comparison is over-used now. What the focus should be on is the environment the apps are delivered in and the quality. iPhone has this nailed down by keeping control of where apps are bought from, keeping quality control on apps and how they are purchased. Microsoft has had issues with this in Windows Mobile 6.5 and earlier since apps could be purchased anywhere and everywhere. I think they're learning from that now. Apps in iPhone, Android and upcoming Windows Phone 7 have some version of “try before you by” so this is why the definitive statement “iPhone Killer” should not be used unless iPhone had NO version of trial app usage. Notice I never mention quantity as the author implies, “…Lots of Apps”. Quality and environment of delivery are more important.
4. Games
From the perspective of designing games myself I'll have to say game developers, not Microsoft, will have to tread carefully here. It's not the issue of Windows Phone 7 supporting xbox games and integrating xbox live (which is a smart decision since they have the whole xbox live atmosphere already in place), it's how game developers design the mobile versions of the xbox counterparts. Desktop and console games are interchangeable but going to a mobile platform is more tricky.
5. A Great App Marketplace
iPhone has a great app marketplace too, again, don't use “iPhone Killer” unless the other guy doesn't have the feature period. As long as Microsoft integrates the app marketplace well with the Zune software on the desktop it would be a bonus as far as easily searching for apps on the desktop and then installing them on the phone; easier to do compared to searching on a mobile device. So at least it would be in line with iTune.
6. Email
The fact that Windows Phone 7 will support exchange server nativly and active sync is obvious since it's Microsoft's own technology. Comparing that with Android or iPhone is a mute point though since exchange server is mainly used in businesses and business users will usually stick with RIM's devices since a company's tech department can easily control all aspects of the device and how it integrates with their exchange server setup and policies. Sure a small company might allow iPhones or Windows Phone 7 but larger businesses won't take that chance due to security.
7. Mesh. Finally
Apple has been the pioneer of taking many different pieces of a user's digital life and integrating it into one spot accessable from anywhere or any device that has similar design and functionality. In fact that is what Steve Jobs has always focused on since he first layed eyes on Xerox' GUI concept. Again, by stating iPhone Killer you imply that this feature trumps Apple completely. This is not the case and this arguement should be seen more of Microsoft catching up to Apple's integration and accessability model. Microsoft could never completely integrate as well as Apple since the dividing line between the two companies has always been unity versus diversity. Keeping your hardware/software under one roof is easier to control and create a singular user experience.
This article seems more like pure opinion as with any article that starts with “iPhone Killer”. Stick with simply speaking about the features of Windows Phone 7 and don't even make comparisons to the iPhone. By making comparisons you are asking the reader to “not think of a white elephant”. Also, it just reinforces that you are simply stating opinion which should remain in responses to articles and in forums…not in main articles. My post in itself is my opinion as well and can be countered by anyone with their opinion. Articles with simple facts and coverage of development of a device or technology are far more useful and rewarding than “this is better than that” content.
Speaking on opinion I will probably get an HTC Windows Phone 7 device because of the Zune/Office/Outlook intregration as I have mainly PCs in my home. I have mainly PCs since I use 3ds max and several other 3d packages that don't run on OSX (Maya not included). I make the decision based on what I need not what opinionated articles and marketing tell me. If someone needs Apple products because they want tighter integration and a simpler experience then that's what they need. Web articles should focus on facts and leave opinion to the reader.
Finally, remember, Windows Phone 7 and the hardware associated with it aren't even out yet…it's a waste of breath to make comparisons until the end of the fourth quarter.
First and foremost, any article, blog or post that claims “iPhone Killer” is either over-using a term to draw attention or simply does not understand the mobile phone market. To imply a “(insert name) killer” would mean a definite and final end to the product. That simply won't happen with any phone, especially the iPhone. Please get it straight, there are competing phones (Windows Phone 7) and there are responses to competition(new iPhone next year and iPhone OS 4), that's it. Also, by stating iPhone Killer all the time you are just reinforcing the idea that iPhone is still the top contender (notice I say idea not truth as the opinion of mobile devices is always unique to each individual and what they need).
1. Tiles
Tiles are a nice idea if it's true that more software integration is possible and more info can be shown in each tile besides just number of emails or missed calls. If crucial daily information can be shown without actually opening up an app it would be a bonus. Android has widgets to handle this and iPhone does have notification for app icons (although limited).
2. Hub Strategy
I question why the author mentions on his iPhone his music is spread around in different locations as I thought the purpose of iTunes was to keep everything located in one spot. If the meaning was streaming apps then there is no shuffling or remembering where local content is as it is streaming (therefore no local content). Zune software does the same thing as iTunes…keep things in one spot. So I'm not sure what would need to be kept track of in different locations. However, using hubs to aggregate all media content (locally by default Zune syncing) as well as radio, streaming, etc. will be helpful.
3. Sexy Apps, Lots of Apps
Sigh, this is the same as saying “iPhone Killer”, the focus/comparison is over-used now. What the focus should be on is the environment the apps are delivered in and the quality. iPhone has this nailed down by keeping control of where apps are bought from, keeping quality control on apps and how they are purchased. Microsoft has had issues with this in Windows Mobile 6.5 and earlier since apps could be purchased anywhere and everywhere. I think they're learning from that now. Apps in iPhone, Android and upcoming Windows Phone 7 have some version of “try before you by” so this is why the definitive statement “iPhone Killer” should not be used unless iPhone had NO version of trial app usage. Notice I never mention quantity as the author implies, “…Lots of Apps”. Quality and environment of delivery are more important.
4. Games
From the perspective of designing games myself I'll have to say game developers, not Microsoft, will have to tread carefully here. It's not the issue of Windows Phone 7 supporting xbox games and integrating xbox live (which is a smart decision since they have the whole xbox live atmosphere already in place), it's how game developers design the mobile versions of the xbox counterparts. Desktop and console games are interchangeable but going to a mobile platform is more tricky.
5. A Great App Marketplace
iPhone has a great app marketplace too, again, don't use “iPhone Killer” unless the other guy doesn't have the feature period. As long as Microsoft integrates the app marketplace well with the Zune software on the desktop it would be a bonus as far as easily searching for apps on the desktop and then installing them on the phone; easier to do compared to searching on a mobile device. So at least it would be in line with iTune.
6. Email
The fact that Windows Phone 7 will support exchange server nativly and active sync is obvious since it's Microsoft's own technology. Comparing that with Android or iPhone is a mute point though since exchange server is mainly used in businesses and business users will usually stick with RIM's devices since a company's tech department can easily control all aspects of the device and how it integrates with their exchange server setup and policies. Sure a small company might allow iPhones or Windows Phone 7 but larger businesses won't take that chance due to security.
7. Mesh. Finally
Apple has been the pioneer of taking many different pieces of a user's digital life and integrating it into one spot accessable from anywhere or any device that has similar design and functionality. In fact that is what Steve Jobs has always focused on since he first layed eyes on Xerox' GUI concept. Again, by stating iPhone Killer you imply that this feature trumps Apple completely. This is not the case and this arguement should be seen more of Microsoft catching up to Apple's integration and accessability model. Microsoft could never completely integrate as well as Apple since the dividing line between the two companies has always been unity versus diversity. Keeping your hardware/software under one roof is easier to control and create a singular user experience.
This article seems more like pure opinion as with any article that starts with “iPhone Killer”. Stick with simply speaking about the features of Windows Phone 7 and don't even make comparisons to the iPhone. By making comparisons you are asking the reader to “not think of a white elephant”. Also, it just reinforces that you are simply stating opinion which should remain in responses to articles and in forums…not in main articles. My post in itself is my opinion as well and can be countered by anyone with their opinion. Articles with simple facts and coverage of development of a device or technology are far more useful and rewarding than “this is better than that” content.
Speaking on opinion I will probably get an HTC Windows Phone 7 device because of the Zune/Office/Outlook intregration as I have mainly PCs in my home. I have mainly PCs since I use 3ds max and several other 3d packages that don't run on OSX (Maya not included). I make the decision based on what I need not what opinionated articles and marketing tell me. If someone needs Apple products because they want tighter integration and a simpler experience then that's what they need. Web articles should focus on facts and leave opinion to the reader.
Finally, remember, Windows Phone 7 and the hardware associated with it aren't even out yet…it's a waste of breath to make comparisons until the end of the fourth quarter.
Nobody said they would. It can play XBL Arcade games, and the minimum hardware spec is more powerful than the original Xbox.
2) No, it is not. Try looking at it some time
3 & 5) You mean like how the iPhone marketplace couldn't grow due to all apps requiring Apple approval? O WAIT
4) It's not speculation; it's demonstration.
5) Copy-paste is in the ROM; it's part of the CE6 kernel. The problem is that it only works if you can press Ctrl+C/X/V
The rest sounds like a perfectly valid complaint about this article and WP7.
The minimum spec for CPU on a WP7 phone is 1GHz, and undoubtedly some (or all) WP7 phones will have dedicated graphics chips. It would be able to play original XBOX games and XBLA games.
When you Mr iphone user, yes you the ones posting here saying to your self “it's iphone forever man, do or die” just remember how you feel know in this first quarter of 2010, when later you'll be secretly salivating thinking ” Oh my, those graphics in that game sure look hot… now only if my iphone could do that”. Don't say I didn't tell you, but there could be some hard pills to swallow for some iphone fans out there. The truth is there will always be innovation, hay it's a fact of life. Well gotta go now and play with my latest rock, I think it's better than this stone that came out last year in 1684 ad.
This may not be an iPhone killer mostly because of all of the Apple Fanboys and the sheep that always buy what's “hip” instead of what's a great product. There are many phones out there right now that are technically better than the iPhone. The ecosystem of the iPhone is what sets it apart. However, this phone is different from a lot of the other phones and Microsoft had no choice but to come up with something unique. Let's give them some credit for bringing something new to the Smartphone market.
I have some Apple products at home and they work good. However, I really like what Microsoft is doing here. Yes, they may have a lot of the same features as an iPhone, but why wouldn't you include good features that other phones have? I don't have a Zune, but everything I've read about the Zune HD and the Zune Marketplace have been quite good. The UI of the phone is “different” than the icon driven iPhone and I like it. I guess it's in the eye of the beholder. I'll reserve my judgement once I get my hands on a device and try it out.
I have an XBOX and can't wait to use it with this phone. Granted I got the RED RING OF DEATH twice, not once, on my XBOX. I wasn't happy having to ship off my XBOX for a couple weeks, but it cost me nothing to get it fixed and XBOX Live and the games are fantastic.
As for the Zune player being integrated into the phone. I think it's awesome. The FM Tuner will certainly come in handy for me since you can be listening to a song and purchase it from the Marketplace in a few taps of the screen. How else do you know what NEW music to buy unless you hear it on the radio, TV or from a friend? This makes it simple. I like simple in some respects.
One thing that does make this phone have a leg up on A LOT of the competition is that it will be available from just about every provider and handset maker. Android and the iPhone are very limited here. Where I live I can't even buy an iPhone because AT&T isn't available here. My choices are an Android or the upcoming Windows Phone 7. I'll wait impatiently for the Windows Phone 7.
Cheers!
Can you please post what the approximate cost of this will be and if Verizon will have it as have given up waiting on i-phone availability at V…. their contract ended with Apple's [AT&T that is] and Verizon was supposed to have an i-phone last Fall but still nothing.
SO, briefly…. cost??? and carrier???
thanks much…. m..
Can you please post what the approximate cost of this will be and if Verizon will have it as have given up waiting on i-phone availability at V…. their contract ended with Apple's [AT&T that is] and Verizon was supposed to have an i-phone last Fall but still nothing.
SO, briefly…. cost??? and carrier???
thanks much…. m..
Can you please post what the approximate cost of this will be and if Verizon will have it as have given up waiting on i-phone availability at V…. their contract ended with Apple's [AT&T that is] and Verizon was supposed to have an i-phone last Fall but still nothing.
SO, briefly…. cost??? and carrier???
thanks much…. m..
Can you please post what the approximate cost of this will be and if Verizon will have it as have given up waiting on i-phone availability at V…. their contract ended with Apple's [AT&T that is] and Verizon was supposed to have an i-phone last Fall but still nothing.
SO, briefly…. cost??? and carrier???
thanks much…. m..
It will come out this fall. October/November timeframe. Cost depends on the handset you get. I've read from $199 to $399.
Killer ap…come on your showing your age, drop the marketing bullshit. yes the app will kill itself no question about it MS , just doesn't get, it worked in the past it will work again.
not this time.
jamie drop the killer app marketing bullshit, Yes it is a killer app it will kill itself.
MS doesn't get it, never will.
jamie drop the killer app marketing bullshit, Yes it is a killer app it will kill itself.
MS doesn't get it, never will.
1. its an interface, its an OK interface, personally i don't like it, i don't see why this wins over the iphone
2. hub, is gay, its just a place for holding app shortcuts >_>
3. iphone has more apps
4. iphone has more games
5. you said apps already
6. every smartphone does email already
7. wtf is mesh, sync'ing? cause other phones can do that already, including the iphone very well i might add
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1. no multitasking – the iphone is getting multitasking
2. no more microsd slots, one of the things windows HAD over the iphone
3. no copy & paste?! just kicks the shit out of all the microsoft office for mobile shit, its worthless without it
4. locked interface, im able to install iphone theme to turn my windows mobile phone into an iphone, i can't do that with windows phone 7, actually i can even install android on my windows mobile phone, windows 7 can't
5. standardized buttons, meaning no more unique phones from manufactureres
6. no support for windows mobile original apps or ppc, meaning no more FPSECE (no more playing playstation 1 games on my phone, meaning windows mobile currently has the biggest library of games, which it won't with windows phone 7)
7. windows phone 7 is more locked than the iphone and thats saying a lot, plus if its that bad, why would anyone buy this over the iphone? other than to 'try' out the interface
1. its an interface, its an OK interface, personally i don't like it, i don't see why this wins over the iphone
2. hub, is gay, its just a place for holding app shortcuts >_>
3. iphone has more apps
4. iphone has more games
5. you said apps already
6. every smartphone does email already
7. wtf is mesh, sync'ing? cause other phones can do that already, including the iphone very well i might add
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1. no multitasking – the iphone is getting multitasking
2. no more microsd slots, one of the things windows HAD over the iphone
3. no copy & paste?! just kicks the shit out of all the microsoft office for mobile shit, its worthless without it
4. locked interface, im able to install iphone theme to turn my windows mobile phone into an iphone, i can't do that with windows phone 7, actually i can even install android on my windows mobile phone, windows 7 can't
5. standardized buttons, meaning no more unique phones from manufactureres
6. no support for windows mobile original apps or ppc, meaning no more FPSECE (no more playing playstation 1 games on my phone, meaning windows mobile currently has the biggest library of games, which it won't with windows phone 7)
7. windows phone 7 is more locked than the iphone and thats saying a lot, plus if its that bad, why would anyone buy this over the iphone? other than to 'try' out the interface
what do u mean ” I believe we are seeing the rise of Phone 7 as the iPhone killer. Forget Android” android has already killed the iphone the only thing you heard about is android whens the last time u have heard of a new iphone or even a new update for the iphone unless your hunting for it
what do u mean ” I believe we are seeing the rise of Phone 7 as the iPhone killer. Forget Android” android has already killed the iphone the only thing you heard about is android whens the last time u have heard of a new iphone or even a new update for the iphone unless your hunting for it
what do u mean ” I believe we are seeing the rise of Phone 7 as the iPhone killer. Forget Android” android has already killed the iphone the only thing you heard about is android whens the last time u have heard of a new iphone or even a new update for the iphone unless your hunting for it
Did you read the article at all? Or do you have a comprehension issue?
1. Tiles are different because they display MORE than just numerical information (iphone icons can basically show a number.) Tiles can show you more, and they take less effort than notifications because you don't need to leave your homescreen to see a summary of them.
2. Again, it's like you have a comprehension problem. He didn't say having many music apps spread all over is better, he said that's WORSE. Which is how it is on the iphone, since you have itunes, pandora, slacker, and every other music app. Pandora does not integrate into itunes. On WinPhone 7 (bad name, yes), all these apps can integrate straight into the music hub.
5. Again, HELLO. Read and think. He DID NOT SAY that each vendor gets your card info. Jeez! Instead, you can either use your credit card with the marketplace (and a marketplace account), or else you can just have the apps billed to your wireless bill. Billing to your wireless account is a major step up in convenience.
7. Another thing you didn't bother to take in. iTunes certainly does NOT sync your data OVER THE CLOUD to and from ANY NUMBER of devices, keeping them all up to date, which is what Mesh does (and does it for more than just music & contacts.)
Also, Microsoft is not building the hardware, but then neither really does Apple. They ARE deciding on much of the design of the hardware however.
I agree with what you said about the games, but I think the htc hd2 will be the first iphone killer if windows phone 7 can do its part. Comparing apples to apples. if Apple was to break away from their stupidly insane one phone model lineup and were to sell the hd2 as their own model, lets say the iphone Big Apple, it would outsell their then “iphone classic.” I am ready to ditch my supposed iphone killer the LG Voyager, what a joke. I would have bought an iphone a while ago but I refuse to go with att&t. I almost need reading glasses so I am looking for a phone that has a screen at least as bit as the iphone and the hd2 and maybe the nexus one are the only ones. some of the phones are 3.7″ but they are longer and narrower and objects look bigger on the iphone. I ordered an hd2 from Amazon but I'm pretty sure I will return it before the 30 days are up because windows 6.5 will probably suck and the phone won't be upgradeable windows 7 phone.
I agree with what you said about the games, but I think the htc hd2 will be the first iphone killer if windows phone 7 can do its part. Comparing apples to apples. if Apple was to break away from their stupidly insane one phone model lineup and were to sell the hd2 as their own model, lets say the iphone Big Apple, it would outsell their then “iphone classic.” I am ready to ditch my supposed iphone killer the LG Voyager, what a joke. I would have bought an iphone a while ago but I refuse to go with att&t. I almost need reading glasses so I am looking for a phone that has a screen at least as bit as the iphone and the hd2 and maybe the nexus one are the only ones. some of the phones are 3.7″ but they are longer and narrower and objects look bigger on the iphone. I ordered an hd2 from Amazon but I'm pretty sure I will return it before the 30 days are up because windows 6.5 will probably suck and the phone won't be upgradeable windows 7 phone.
I agree with what you said about the games, but I think the htc hd2 will be the first iphone killer if windows phone 7 can do its part. Comparing apples to apples. if Apple was to break away from their stupidly insane one phone model lineup and were to sell the hd2 as their own model, lets say the iphone Big Apple, it would outsell their then “iphone classic.” I am ready to ditch my supposed iphone killer the LG Voyager, what a joke. I would have bought an iphone a while ago but I refuse to go with att&t. I almost need reading glasses so I am looking for a phone that has a screen at least as bit as the iphone and the hd2 and maybe the nexus one are the only ones. some of the phones are 3.7″ but they are longer and narrower and objects look bigger on the iphone. I ordered an hd2 from Amazon but I'm pretty sure I will return it before the 30 days are up because windows 6.5 will probably suck and the phone won't be upgradeable windows 7 phone.
I agree with what you said about the games, but I think the htc hd2 will be the first iphone killer if windows phone 7 can do its part. Comparing apples to apples. if Apple was to break away from their stupidly insane one phone model lineup and were to sell the hd2 as their own model, lets say the iphone Big Apple, it would outsell their then “iphone classic.” I am ready to ditch my supposed iphone killer the LG Voyager, what a joke. I would have bought an iphone a while ago but I refuse to go with att&t. I almost need reading glasses so I am looking for a phone that has a screen at least as bit as the iphone and the hd2 and maybe the nexus one are the only ones. some of the phones are 3.7″ but they are longer and narrower and objects look bigger on the iphone. I ordered an hd2 from Amazon but I'm pretty sure I will return it before the 30 days are up because windows 6.5 will probably suck and the phone won't be upgradeable windows 7 phone.
I agree with what you said about the games, but I think the htc hd2 will be the first iphone killer if windows phone 7 can do its part. Comparing apples to apples. if Apple was to break away from their stupidly insane one phone model lineup and were to sell the hd2 as their own model, lets say the iphone Big Apple, it would outsell their then “iphone classic.” I am ready to ditch my supposed iphone killer the LG Voyager, what a joke. I would have bought an iphone a while ago but I refuse to go with att&t. I almost need reading glasses so I am looking for a phone that has a screen at least as bit as the iphone and the hd2 and maybe the nexus one are the only ones. some of the phones are 3.7″ but they are longer and narrower and objects look bigger on the iphone. I ordered an hd2 from Amazon but I'm pretty sure I will return it before the 30 days are up because windows 6.5 will probably suck and the phone won't be upgradeable windows 7 phone.
I agree with what you said about the games, but I think the htc hd2 will be the first iphone killer if windows phone 7 can do its part. Comparing apples to apples. if Apple was to break away from their stupidly insane one phone model lineup and were to sell the hd2 as their own model, lets say the iphone Big Apple, it would outsell their then “iphone classic.” I am ready to ditch my supposed iphone killer the LG Voyager, what a joke. I would have bought an iphone a while ago but I refuse to go with att&t. I almost need reading glasses so I am looking for a phone that has a screen at least as bit as the iphone and the hd2 and maybe the nexus one are the only ones. some of the phones are 3.7″ but they are longer and narrower and objects look bigger on the iphone. I ordered an hd2 from Amazon but I'm pretty sure I will return it before the 30 days are up because windows 6.5 will probably suck and the phone won't be upgradeable windows 7 phone.
can u live without microsoft products?
can u live without microsoft products?
can u live without microsoft products?
looking forward to get my hand on it :)
LOL… u are wasting ur effort arguing with an apple user. :D … 1st and foremost rule.. never ever argue with an apple user. they don't know how to read properly hehe. let alone the understanding part.. And, they don't have the ability to THINK. All they know is to say “wooooo…” everytime steve jobs say something :D hahahhahahhhahaa
Ahh.
-Android is “Fast”
-Apple is “Sexy”
-However, Windows Phone has battery life, undoubtedly.
Honestly, WM's history of long battery life should help them, but for some reason, people don't seem to take note of this? I see so many articles, but none of them go over battery life or some of the things they are actually good at. This may be the only good article ive seen of Windows Phone, as everyone on the web obviously has to hate microsoft or they arent a true nerd…
Regardless, start making true arguments about real topics like battery life, because if they don't know, how are they supposed to be an informed user? Take this for instance: there is a 5:1 app ratio between windows mobile and I-Phone. Alright, Apple advertizes “There is an app for that” while Microsoft is the one who has a PS1 emulator on their phones, I doubt an I-Phone could even be thought of in such a way. These people want simple? We got it. These people want fast? We got it. These people want a good battery life? We got it.
Copy any paste? They will release that next (they should have double click on paragraphs/words and then add in the highlighting capabilities at that time).
Multi-tasking? No native apps? Microsoft obviously understands that this is crucial for virus protection. However, later on, after they possibly create a safe environment to test native apps, they could start releasing them on their marketplace. As for Multi-tasking, there are virus problems there, and of course users will leave their apps open and drain out their battery life =Þ.
Obviously Microsoft has got it all right guys, your just all crazy. The end users know what they want, not you stupid open-source enthusiasts that was to damage the technology market brutally to make way for your pathetic open source junk (cough, Android/Google).
Thank you for talking about all those things for me. Phew. I thought I was gonna have to try to argue with an Apple user too =O.
Of course, I would like to emphasize that Microsoft is regulating the hardware companies to provide a consistent running experience, so that applications will always run the same on any phone. Of course, these phones will always have power equal to or greater than an I-Phone =).
Wrong, Windows is not a fail.
Also, Windows is no longer behind the Windows Phone. They totally re-writ the entire operating system to be very awesome. It didn't take them long to get far, and now all of its features build onto its success.
fuckin-a i cant wait cause WM6.x Pro sucks balls, no one wants to use a stylus and use your finger?
ha! fuget it.
having said that, the only thing worse is a blackberry ANY BLACKBERRY
fuckin-a i cant wait cause WM6.x Pro sucks balls, no one wants to use a stylus and use your finger?
ha! fuget it.
having said that, the only thing worse is a blackberry ANY BLACKBERRY
fuckin-a i cant wait cause WM6.x Pro sucks balls, no one wants to use a stylus and use your finger?
ha! fuget it.
having said that, the only thing worse is a blackberry ANY BLACKBERRY
i saw MLOR in 87, then missed them in Athens in 88(?) by 1 week.
my buddies told me you could hear the guitar and keys very faintly all over Athens
during quiet moments of traffic…amazing…
i saw 5 DB concerts in 94, including 1 night at the old Yankee stadium in NYC, where they played DSOTM in random order….pretty neat
recently i saw the OnAnIsland tour at Radio City Music Hall in NYC, took my wife to see both nights.
probably the best shows I have seen in a long time. nice bar set up too, that place is great.
It was very sad when RW died, almost shocking….too sad, driving in the summer and over the radio I
heard he died…
I saw RW in 2002, pretty good but should have done something with his stuff, not the PF stuff.
Really his band cannot sound good unless its their own stuff.
Saw him again in 2007, expecting some show this time, but nothing. projected a circle on a black bed sheet. wtf?
he did some great songs but the long-hair he had playing guitar was a real distraction.
overall it wasnt good, that was the last time I went to see RW, waste of time.
after that RW toured DSOTM for all he was worth, and im sure it sounded like crap too.
finally he stopped since RW when passed, thank goodness.
i saw MLOR in 87, then missed them in Athens in 88(?) by 1 week.
my buddies told me you could hear the guitar and keys very faintly all over Athens
during quiet moments of traffic…amazing…
i saw 5 DB concerts in 94, including 1 night at the old Yankee stadium in NYC, where they played DSOTM in random order….pretty neat
recently i saw the OnAnIsland tour at Radio City Music Hall in NYC, took my wife to see both nights.
probably the best shows I have seen in a long time. nice bar set up too, that place is great.
It was very sad when RW died, almost shocking….too sad, driving in the summer and over the radio I
heard he died…
I saw RW in 2002, pretty good but should have done something with his stuff, not the PF stuff.
Really his band cannot sound good unless its their own stuff.
Saw him again in 2007, expecting some show this time, but nothing. projected a circle on a black bed sheet. wtf?
he did some great songs but the long-hair he had playing guitar was a real distraction.
overall it wasnt good, that was the last time I went to see RW, waste of time.
after that RW toured DSOTM for all he was worth, and im sure it sounded like crap too.
finally he stopped since RW when passed, thank goodness.
Hate to admit it, but Apple currently sells way more smart phones than M$ and in any online pole would be voted the coolest company in the world – what are you smokin' bros, I want sum!
he talking about the future and the possibilties with the new windows mobile OS. the people who answer most online polls are dumb people who focus on status of a device more that what innovative features it brings. the only innovation the iphone has is it’s app store.
One thing for sure is Mesh, Apple apart from Mobile Me has nothing to offer for Cloud computing.
However, the matter of fact is, you just can't trust MS for they actually don't know what the hell they are talking about. There previews are perfect, but reality is no where near to it. All the software from MS Sucks. The very reason why MS is so big is very simple, they made a SHITTY software so that other developers can work on it to refine it. This made all the developers earn their bread & butter. Now, these same developers who have invested so much time are the Marketing mouth piece of MS. Simple way to check this out, see in any MS environment how much is the cost per year for support & for sure software & hardware…???
If the hardware is getting cheaper, then why do we have to pay more for MS stuff?
Simply coz it just doesn't work. But, so many developers & support people will never accept this coz it will kill their living.
WELL DONE BILL GATES, but Bill you forgot, Steve Balmer can't keep this going & Steve Jobs made a good or let's say excellent team to keep the trend up. Just see the point, even Windows work better on MAC when virtualized compare to be on a PC!!!!!
Coming back to the post, whatever you write about Win phone 7 or 7000, it's still Windows!!! Who on the earth who has used iPhone will ever use any other phone? The only reason I see is, if Bill Gates offers all his money, rest there can't be any reason to use WINDOWS phone after iPhone……
Sahil,
you really have no idea do you buddy, hehe, get back to your HTML and JavaScript, I think thats about your limit mate ;)
Sahil you make me laugh. While i do own an itouch i would never buy the iphone you putz for ONE REASON (the network). I dont care how nice a phone is or the gadgets, if you cant use the damn thing and be reliable then what good is it. I read post after post from people stuck on At&t plan because they had to have the iphone. Well great features for when you cant complete a call without it being dropped. Sorry facts are facts. OH by the way, i heard At&t coming out with a cheaper 15.00 data plan :) guess what? Theyre dropping their unlimited data plan :( can you say bend over ?
Hipsters have a weak and frankly inaccurate sense of cool.
Women are cool. Not computers.
1. Do apps have to be approved by Microsoft before they can be sold? 2. Must apps be sold or installed through Microsoft's online store? 3. Can I get Flash? 4. Does Microsoft allow apps to use macros?
I like almost everthing about the iPhone, except for the fact that Apple has such tight control over what users may run on it. No Flash (Flash may indeed suck, but the end user should have the right to decide that), no macros. All software must be approved by Apple unless you “jail break” your phone. This is insane! If Microsoft's phone is different, I'll be the first in line to buy it.
Now apple want to stop people who made app for the IPhone who did not use the Apple’s Subscribed method…. so what happens to the people who already have apps made and APPROVED by apple who now say they can’t sell them
Oh Yeah, you can’t trust Microsoft… but Apple is cool…
IPhone Cult members, are worse then god dam LINUX lovers… with there baseless garbage claims vomit… Apple take old technologies, wrap them in a nice looking case and sell people this old technology Re-Branded and something new… e.g. a IPad or a Mac which is really just a PC now with a Apple OS and the IPhone Cult members run for the store
As Joe has said, the iPhone does most of this already, and even Windows Mobile 6.5 does more of this than most would think – MarketPlace isn't as good as the AppStore, but it has potential, and the Xbox game integration is lacking, but still possible, Syncing can be handled via GoogleSync, integrating contacts into gmail, calendars into Google Calendar, and hopefully they'll add syncing for documents into Google Docs soon.
HTC's Sense UI gives you most of the advantages that tiles do, and has been around in one form or another since WM6.0
So what's the big deal with this new Windows Phone 7?
As Joe has said, the iPhone does most of this already, and even Windows Mobile 6.5 does more of this than most would think – MarketPlace isn't as good as the AppStore, but it has potential, and the Xbox game integration is lacking, but still possible, Syncing can be handled via GoogleSync, integrating contacts into gmail, calendars into Google Calendar, and hopefully they'll add syncing for documents into Google Docs soon.
HTC's Sense UI gives you most of the advantages that tiles do, and has been around in one form or another since WM6.0
So what's the big deal with this new Windows Phone 7?
As Joe has said, the iPhone does most of this already, and even Windows Mobile 6.5 does more of this than most would think – MarketPlace isn't as good as the AppStore, but it has potential, and the Xbox game integration is lacking, but still possible, Syncing can be handled via GoogleSync, integrating contacts into gmail, calendars into Google Calendar, and hopefully they'll add syncing for documents into Google Docs soon.
HTC's Sense UI gives you most of the advantages that tiles do, and has been around in one form or another since WM6.0
So what's the big deal with this new Windows Phone 7?
A major difference besides the flash UI crap, is the fact that the developer story for MS is far more integrated than anything else, everything works and talks with everything else, you have solutions that integrate well what ever platform from web, windows (mac and Linux with MONO) database, WCF RIA Services, Azure, Office products blah blah…. you can use one language to write code for anywhere, you can use VB, C#, PHP, F#, J#, IronRuby, IronPython, what at least 40 or more languages you can compile against the .NET framework, run it anywhere, talk and use any of there code etc etc…. the development story from MS pisses on anything you can think of right….
Note Win 7 Phone has access XNA baked in, this is what you can use to make PC/XBox games…..
so you can bring basically all this to the Win 7 Phone…. and your applications
Everyone likes to say stuff about MS, over the years MS has made daily life a lot easier and is responsible for turning everyone who was highly unlikely to have a computer back in the day now have a computer and has probably somewhat turned into geeks themselves. Before the only people who would use computers where the technicians or students who wanted to break into IT a lot of these people in the 80's 90's were using CLI (command line interface) with their favourite language. When windows took off, you didn't need DOS knowledge to run programs or have a degree . Whack in the cd, follow prompts, install OS,
Im not saying entirely MS has made it easier for everyone to use a computer but they certainly greatly influenced it.This is where the Windows phone comes in. I myself don't have an Iphone or a Android OS and im an IT specialist. I look at the phones and there is so many things on the screen, you'll have like a billion apps to scroll through etc. While i acknowledge the great advantages with both, these phones mainly target those users who develop apps and do everything electronically in their lives. For the normal consumer there is some market lead with apple.
But WIndows phone a lot of us have Windows XP or 7 and because of that i think people who are still stuck on non smartphones will adopt this phone. No phone is too late on anyone its only too late for yourself if you want to stick with your Nokia 3310 back in year 2000.
Xbox live is huge compared to Playstation and Nintendo networks, it is very well established and again the young and old who have Iphones could make the switch. Im so happy to see an interface from the moment you turn on that shows large buttons that exactly gets straight into what you want to that much faster in my opinion.
We also forget there aren't any apple or google video game consoles and a lot of PS3 and a hell of a lot of Xbox users who have Iphones, if they live account is very important and does already almost 100% an ophone can do but not the other way around, i think they'll make the switch. what do you all think?
it’s like the .NET Framework, I was told by a truck load of people is a wate of time, it’s crap, it will fail blah blah….
Silverlight the Same, told it’s not good, crap will fail
But no….
.NET Framework I would call a Success….
Silverlight is kicking Flashes teeth in, pisses on Flash already
so… it’s good to here the Win 7 Phone is gonna fail…..
now I know it’s going to kick some IPhone ass…. :)
Windows 7 might be able to call much or if it is apps like iphone does not do, but the visual styling called Windows 7 looks much better than the way I call OS4.
Apply at the photo engadget OS4 than a cheap skin looks like with OS 3.1.3.
I am yet to have OS4 new features (try some great features) may be, but Apple visual styling is a big time what widows mobile OS was 6 versions and its boring as before.
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Again with this whole ‘iPhone Killer’ business. We heard that when the Nexus One came out, and we’re hearing it again with WinMo 7. It’s just not happening. I’m in Dubai, and I got an iPhone from the retailer over here, Axiom Telecom. Before that I had the Samsung Omnia II with Windows Mobile 6.something. It was horrible. Get a decent data plan, get an iPhone, and you won’t ever start looking through all the failed imitations
I would just like to remind everyone that it's still Windows, and we all know what that means. It will take them years to get a phone right. And the apps aren't that great. I have a Touch Pro 2 and Microsoft's Marketplace is garbage compared to Android and IPhone. I'm not saying the phone isn't going to be good, but it can't do all that much because it is still a Microsoft product. Once it reaches the market and it is hacked, then it might be able to do a lot of really awesome things.
You think the iPhone has more apps, those control freaks have put a cap on how many apps the iPhone can hold. It's only ten pages so what the he'll are you supposed to do with the other prepaid apps when you decide you want more useful things. Maybe this is what apple might get forced to give, more app space….
You think the iPhone has more apps, those control freaks have put a cap on how many apps the iPhone can hold. It's only ten pages so what the he'll are you supposed to do with the other prepaid apps when you decide you want more useful things. Maybe this is what apple might get forced to give, more app space….
You think the iPhone has more apps, those control freaks have put a cap on how many apps the iPhone can hold. It's only ten pages so what the he'll are you supposed to do with the other prepaid apps when you decide you want more useful things. Maybe this is what apple might get forced to give, more app space….
i dont see your 7 reasons that much convincing, windows is so far behind, i actually have to buy it because i work under Ms technology so im trying to sponsor my own work but if i had a choice i think android would be better because more apps (face it they do have more apps) more phones to choose from, and less restrictions.
now winphone7 is great and all but where the hell you get an actual phone ??? nowhere ! before they even become popular they will have another platform ready … gimme the damn phones !
I am definitely looking forward to the windows phone for 2 reasons the apple folks are control freaks, android is to childish – no numerical lock and no outlook sync. But i think apples success is due to content i.e. iTunes so if any body Microsoft, android, hp can replicate that and make it a more open then apple will suffer the same fate it did when it revolutionized the pda and personal computing total control only gets you so far people are willing to sacrifice some bugs for freedom but if apple is willing to loosing up control then i think no one can catchup to them until then windows sure stands a good chance.
Hope windows 7 boosts the Smart Phone market and and competition further. And as you have mentioned, If the Hardware is let down, then there is no use in the effort put by the Microsoft. And I guess Carriers will also play a major role as in case of Palm.
Microsoft will not produce the hardware but it has entry level specifications for manufacturers. like 5megapixel camera and tocuh
Just my thoughts here, but for something to be considered a killer product, it basically will render the other product useless. iPhone already does most everything described here. And its tiles may be more appealing to some, but face it, pretty looks wont win over usefulness. professionals worldwide have begun to rely on the tools in their iPhone to help run their businesses. I doubt there is anything hugely substantial to this phone that would obsolete iPhone.
People seemed to have liked the change, Apple offered an alternative to Microsoft, and people like me who were tired of praying to the pc gods to please have it start up, are happy with their products. Is Apple perfect? No. But it never claimed to be, it just strives to be. And I’m happy with that.
But basically, by definition, a killer product is one that crushes the competition because it brings new functionality to the table that people cant live without. Much like the cd killed the cassette. I hardly doubt the windows phone is to the iPhone what the cd was to the tape.
“apple never claims to b perfect”, dude seriously? who releases a products and says “oh it’s just crap but you’ll learn to enjoy it”.
the way i see it, apple products are people who just want to belong because it does nothing spectacular and people treat their $2000 macs better than they treat their $600 pcs; they expect their windows system to do everyhting and run everything but their macs just run photoshop and in built software. i should know because i raped my windows install but run it right and there is no prayer involved.
windows 7 phone won’t kill the iphone, like the iphone can’t kill nokia phones but it will chip away at the Iphone’s target market.
James your an idiot. Microsoft barely posted the job listing for the software developer in charge for making Windows Phone 7 software on June 1, 2010. Thats right just this month. How seriously retarded can they expect to catch up to Apple and YEARS of hard work and innovation and many hours of creating a usable working interface. Windows phone 7 is too late and too boring to care about. Its grave is already marked
Almost any class of kindergardners anywhere in the world can identify an iPhone. These iPhone killers will never make such an impact on any part of society because Sony/Google/HTC/Microsoft/Palm and their phone products and features are malaise. The only thing iPhone killers do is go off to die a year after release. RIP LG Chocolate, LG Prada, Samsung Instinct, Nokia N95, Google Nexus One, Palm Pre, and soon Sony Ericsson Xperia X10.
The IPhone is a Cult thing, people buy it because they think it is some special, but in reality it is nothing new, just like the IPad
history actually tells us that the thing that will kill the IPhone is “Apple”, looks like it already started too, they were really the leaders in personal home computers for a long time, now there nothing except people who want spend 8 times what they should for a product to be cool
they killed them selves in the computer market, they already doing the same with the IPhone, try to restrict what network you can use, what and who can make the software apps etc…. brings back memories of the computer era with the Mac
the thing Apple really do well is Market/Sell there product, people actually believe you cannot get a virus on a Mac, hehe
I was waiting for the Windows phone 7, but not any more. Stupid Windows phone 7 been delay delay and delay. Why the time it takes to develop is even longer than apple develop its OSX os for its iphone, and why the time it takes is even more than google develop Android. From the time that apple selling 1st generation iphone to now the 4th generation(release next week). And of the time that different version of Android came out. What the hell did you do Microsoft!!!? If it is not something huge that the company(Microsoft) care about, then better just give up and stop making Windows phone. [I used to hate iphone, but I think it's okay now, since it's really did upgraded the new 4g iphone (way better screen, way better battery life). and more and more nice game and software releasing.] Windows mobile just stopped improving like 4-5 years ago. Will Microsoft win back the Market when Windows phone 7 come out!!? How can it win when it’s already lose!!!
Win phone 7 will be running “Silverlight”, currently the emulator is only Silverlight 3, but I think the actual phone will have the ability to upgrade to what ever version of Silverlight you want, so…. couple this with the backing of the .NET Framework, all the MS technologies that integrate very well with each other, with very small changes to current Silverlight app’s and if you making a new Silverlight app, you really only need to make sure you don’t reference the “Browser.dll”, you already have a huge bunch developers who already have the skills to make a windows phone application, backed by all the MS technologies as I mentioned above
really Android, Flash, and the IPhone are going be not able to match this for quite a while I think
Silverlight is pretty cool, already craps on Flash (not that Flash is bad)
Microsoft don’t restrict there things like Apple, anyone can make a phone and add WP7 OS, anyone can download “All” the tools and make applications, sell them anywhere etc… not restrict the phone company you can connect to etc… and it’s not “Apple” because Apple just repackage old technology and tell fools is’s something new, look the IPad, the V1 does not even have WiFi, seriously what a joke, the first IPhones did not even have 3G, Seriously
Apple will crush it’s self, Restrict, Restrict, Restrict…. it’s there mind set
I bet this phone will be Silverlight only. No Flash…
There has been a lot of buzz in the mobile space lately, and I suspect there will be even more around Windows Phone 7 at next week’s Microsoft Mix conference. One thing I wanted to clarify as it may have been lost in some of the other news is that Adobe and Microsoft are working together to bring Flash Player 10.1 to Internet Explorer Mobile on Windows Phone 7 Series.
http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2010/03/09/flash-player-10-1-and-windows-phone-7/
looks like Flash will be on WP7
The only people that will buy this are Microsoft employees.
I’m siitting this Reading on my iPhone and they have promised
aload of noddy shite tbh and email as one of the killers WOW I wish iPhone and email oh… Wait… It does, Morons !
i guess Kate has a IPhone, you enjoy the IPhone Cult?
the IPhone Cult reminds me of the Scientology Cult :)
None of these reasons seem compelling. The statements “lots of apps” and “quality apps” remains to be seen. Since WM7 is incompatible with ALL apps for all previous versions, they would seem to have a long way to go before catching up. And since they are reported to be blocking developer access to OS system calls, and requiring that all apps be “approved” (ala Apple), I doubt some of the functionality will be there. I suspect that all this will drive even more folks to Android or something else.
you know what to good thing is…
the good thing is there is a choice, a choice of 3, the fact we will have 3 different phone OS’s to make applications for is good, 3 companies to try and make a better platform than the other 2, this is the good thing, else if apple, Google or MS were truly dominate we would end up with a single OS, then we would just have to eat what that company decided to give us
It would be better if two of the three weren’t trying to sell straight-jackets. Granted, most people won’t care if they have to get their apps from the company store, but it’s still censorship and control by Big Brother.
“On my iPhone I have many music apps, each with different content. I have to remember where my music is before I can play it”
Bull shit. All my music and movies and podcasts are all under the ipod function. My iphone can already do everything listed except Number one and its not like push takes that much effort to turn on.
Please tell me you’re kidding. I’m not a windows hater or an apple evangelist but Microsoft didn’t get the right formula at all. They are no competition for Apple. Apple doesn’t have the best phone but they have the coolest phone. You can have the best phone out there but you need to figure out how to make your product cool before anyone even bothers.
Cool may be a criteria for kids. Functionality is the criteria for adults.
i agree, the IPhone is a Fashion Accessory, driven pretty much by marketing, making it the “Coolest”
The brilliance of the Itunes app store is the sheer amount of support from indie developers. I am skeptical of this level of support for Microsoft, especially after the downfall of the XBL “indie games” movement.
A tech demo is one thing. Hell, Rock Revolution would look like Valhalla with it’s own E3 demo. But to actually have a phone this intuitive (sounding) and perfect to work, exactly as presented, straight out of the box, on the day of its release, is an entirely different kettle of fish.
Its a nice phone but DEFINITELY NOT an Iphone killer. LOL why because you can see how many emails you have without touching an icon and playing SOME Xbox games?
Hubs? Iphone has separate home screens. If I want all my music/radio apps one home screen I can do that and I won’t have to hunt for music. Spotlight will find any song I want on my Iphone.
Mesh? Apple has MobileMe, which also includes disk space storage and mail and ability to track your phone if its lost.
James, dude you have no idea right? or just a sucker for the IPhone Cult
you think I cannot make what you describe in WP7 phone? silly boy
James the features you describe are what? 5 or 6 years old, been on phones well before a IPhone was even a twinkle in the eye of who even the dude at apple conceived the IPhone…. what a donkey
my old pre IPhone I-mate JasJam has these features 0.o
People dont get it that Microsoft is launching a new OS, which is not compatible with the old apps. Meaning this OS will only start working properly in 2 years, after they have created Windows Phone 7.1 lol.
Apple iPhone is on 4th generation already. They (Microsoft) need to market the Microsoft OS phone for what it is, and not try to compare it with other phone OS’ that already do a great job.
Ooglermarc, people like you knock MS by default, Correct?
it would not matter what they made, you will knock it, no doubt in reality you have no idea what your talking about, the thing about the IPhone it is a Cool/Fashion accessory, many people think it is actually just caught up to the old windows mobile OS
the only thing the IPhone brought that did not already exist in the Mobile Phone world was a Multi-TOuch Screen, else there is nothing else new, and the reality is it has taken the IPhone 4 generations to even really get to a par with other phones
IPhone Religious Cult members really make me want to voment, you know that Ooglermarc, people like you…. vomet…..
also is MS not allowed to make a just as good and more than likely better OS for a phone than Apple or Google?
As I mentioned a few posts ago, the more companies that make OS’s for a Phone or a PC or whatever product the better, it’s what pushes the companies to make better products and we the consumer get a better deal for more functionality
so button is Ooglermarc you retard, unless you want to engage your brain for a change
Whoops! Struck a nerve, lol. Facts are facts, Microsoft new releases are always broken, they want to fix stuff while in production, they cant do proper testing. Not knocking MS, but thats just how they opearate, I’m also not Pro Apple, but it is obvious that Microsoft’s Win Phone 7 will take a few years before we can even compare it to the iPhone.
And thats just how things are noobie!
Microsoft just cant help it. bwahahahahaha!~
NO, you just another on of the sheep, that believe what ever the first person says to you
Like the Vista Bashing
the reality is that the OS was fine, device manufactures did not make drivers and tried to make people buy a new sound or video card, often the same as they had, with a new model number and a drive made for it
now you will tell me Vista was total crap right? because you have no idea, which you just proved in your last post
I would say it’s pretty obvious your not a Pro at anything, just a fool that does not want to say anything different from your friends because you will be scared you look uncool, right?
you believe a MAC/Apple crap can’t get a virus too?
dispute the IPhone being hit on the first day is was released…
your more than welcome to buy apple crap and pay 4 or 5 times the actual value of the product so you can look cool in the coffee shop
whatever monkey boy ;)
lol, talk about a retard.
Marketing Microsoft as if they will give you a piece of their pie.
Pathetic, you probably wouldn’t know innovation if it bit you on the ass.
Lets have this conversation again in 6 mnths after Microsoft launches this pathetic attempt for an iPhone killer. Bwahahahaha, I cant even believe you gave Vista a mention.
You probably call Bill Gates a pioneer. heh!
Go back to your cave caveman.
Thank you, you proved my point, you don’t have any idea what your talking about.
the difference between you and I is simple
I live in the world of reality, I am educated, I call a spade a spade
you just go with what your mates say, because your a uneducated moron who is unable to make a logical conclusion for your self
IPhone Cult today, Scientology Cult tomorrow,
this is your destiny little boy ;)
you still think the IPhone is something new right, has a heap of features that were never seen before the IPhone, dude best you just shut up, you making a dickhead of yourself
Bwahahaha, you are educated, and I guess I’m not?
Dude, these are just phones, and you aint gonna get a piece of the money these guys make.
Go out and get laid, man. You need a life.
You actually spend your days arguing over which phone is best.
There is a whole world out there, while you are getting obsessed about crap.
I cant believe you have been tracking these comments for over a month,
probably still staying with your parents.
Talk about a loser.
Please leave a comment after this one, I know you cant help yourself.
You dont have anything else better to do. I’m out!!
its his job to write articles and reply to comments… its how he makes more money than you. read the above “About the author hes the CEO of a big company and makes a shitload of money. i think he has a life
@ Alex the author isn’t “CEO of a big company”, Digital Tomorrow Today is a husband and wife team that runs a tech research blog. They sold another blog called Cheeze ltd. to fund what they have now. Still the phone7 looks good if the hardware is up to it. I’m kind of disappointed that there won’t be multitasking though. Even the palm pilot had multitasking down.
@Ooglemarc, you can get paid from all this and I know how! Don’t be so quick to be a wisecracker… The telecom industry is a recession proof and worldwide revenues of almost 4 trillion dollars. The devices are personal and emotional and you are telling someone to get laid. Some people don’t put as much thought into chosing a mate as they do a personal communication device. Fascinating!
To quote you, “You need a life.” You can choose not to take the time to read this article and comment on it. Stop “getting obsessed about crap” and stop contradicting yourself by writing multiple comments and wasting your own time.
oh and p.s. it’s called a job
Oogle, this is a web site about mobile phones, I think you’ve mistaken it for a school for spoilt adults with low IQ’s. Run along now, there’s a good boy.
hahahahahahahaha…………………. hahahahahahaahaha
hey fuckface, he is a CEO and probably makes way more money than YOU,
so, an advice – you get a life
dude it’s not about a phone, it’s you and you dumb “sheep” like comments which you don’t think about
I let you know little boy, I properly earn a lot more than you, because your truly and idiot and i doubt you have the capacity to do much more then wash dishes
Looks like I struck a nerve, you lost your cool little monkey boy
get out more, lose your virginity (because lets face it, next door’s dog don’t count) it’s cool you can pay someone, you’ll just need to save your pocket money for a year or two
What delicious irony!
P.S.- “Little monkey boy” …?
Golly, you could seriously injure someone’s ego with that, son!
“because *you’re* truly *an* idiot and I doubt you have the capacity to do much more *than* wash dishes”
You properly(sic) earn a lot more than “Dude”
You dumb sheep like comments
because your truly and idiot
much more then wash dishes
Time you took a lesson or a thousand in English Grammar yourself!
This is a full-on advertisement for Microsoft. According to this article there is no difference between iphone email and W7 email, so you can eliminate #6, and there are no advantages listed for the W7 phone when it comes to apps so #3 & #5 are both garbage. Finally, pretty much all this stuff here is speculation so I don’t know why anyone would pay attention to it. Oh, and “noobie” here can’t spell for shit so I’m guessing he didn’t pass 5th grade and lives off food stamps and his mom’s social security.
Noobie, you have some interested fantasies, Dogs!?
I wouldn’t expect any less from you. ;)
Also please try to do a spell and grammar check before you post rubbish again,
You are probably some 1st line tech support slug in India.
ooglemarc…. I dont know which damn country you belong or what you do.. But your behaviour reflects that you are nothing more than a frustrated troll.. The 1st line tech support from India has brain enough to tell you that your computer is not working coz you have plugged it. …… Sucker
your all losers argueing over this shit, who gives a fuck who can spell or do what just read the goddamn article and comment something not negative towards someones time and dedication takin from their life to write this jesus christ people now a days are stupid sick fucking ignorant RAtards.
Please remove all the comments that do not deal with the phone ,operating system or features of the Win 7 phone or its competitors.
I cant wait for the debut so I can see what new phone I will switch to. Currently the iPhone 4(being returned within 30 days) Not liking the loss of signal when being held like a phone should .
Ooglermarc, You racist and all the ugly words in the dictionary. Dare not to talk about countries and religion anywhere. Dogs do that and someone truly said – Ooglermarc is a real dog in crowd packed with decent people. This guys learnt little English and I guess in all his life he only learnt one word which starts with A – Apple. Wake this guy up and kick his ass because his brain got stuck over there.
keep your comments to yourself bitch…indians are far more superior in both language and brains than you obese burger eating beer drinking sex maniacs…the only thing you people are good at is destroying nations for oil and money
India is a dirty country full of idiots that suck at tech support.
@JefFart and Ooglermarc Dirty thoughts from lame ignorant assholes like you = nothing more than dirty underwear with skid marks from hell! haha…. and though I’m not Indian, the intelligence of these people from India obliterate the few peanuts and turds you two have for brains!
And it’ll be a shame that someday with your dumb asses on a death bed, after stepping out in front of a car, it’ll probably be an Indian Doctor that saves your dumb ass worthless lives!!! xD
Fuck u, u racist dick- who the fuck r u 2 say anything negative about America- if u don’t like it here, then leave. America is supposed to be a melting pot of all cultures. Unfortunately I do agree with your comment about U.S. greed and the country’s oppression of other nations. That said, any type of predjudice is wrong- whether it is directed towards a race, class or nation of people. You are an ignorant fool and in great need of a better education- if your type of beliefs and attitudes are passed on to future generations, there is no hope for human surival. Fuck you and your ignorant comments.
Ooooh, touchy touchy, jealous because you didn’t think of it first?
Really don’t agree with outright racism towards people from other countries, but just to be fair, you get your paycheck from us “obese burger eating beer drinking sex maniacs”. BPOs contribute heavily to the economies they’re set up in, and detract significantly from the potential income of people in the countries they come from, so try to understand why so many Americans hate countries (and people in those countries) that have our jobs outsourced to them. That alone creates a significant amount of hostility. Imagine if you couldn’t get a job because your government let your companies have all the work done by another country.
I would suggest that you go back to India where you belong and try to understand why so many people want to come to America. I don’t see anyone wanting to move to India!
Just to add to that I have plenty of experience cleaning up the messes made by Indian technicians.
Have a nice trip to home.
You mother fucker, dog fucker, whatever! Stop commenting!
Oh you bring back your fag boy friend to defend you Ooglermarc
mrbiggles, when you actually get a job that pays more then $2.50 an hour, you might be able to finish paying off your IPhone
Boys boys boys. Can we please stop acting like children? Neither one of you know anything about the other so quit trying to insult each other. Neither one of you are helping anyone see the benefits of either OS. Just accept that there are people in the world that will not like your favorite OS and move on. Both OS’s have strong holds and weaknesses and neither will “kill” the other being as they are both backed by huge companies that can afford to spend billions of dollars making sure it stays on the market.
Ahh nothing like a few fanboys thrown together to spice up a comments section.
Personally I’m going to wait till it comes out, try it, see if I like it and then buy one if I do. Thats what I did with the iPhone, decided I didn’t like it and kept my Blackberry instead.
Why you lot care what phones the other has/wants/likes is beyond me. Does someone else not sharing your view in any way make your phone function differently?
Grow up.
I personally think you must smoke a large amount of crack to believe that”
Apple owns the cell phone field and so does android. Windows sucks bad, it freezes so much- makes you wanna just run the phone over..
I just get bore with these idiots who just repeat what there mate said, and cannot think for them self, thats why we have a brain, some these morons should actually try to use it for a change…
Hmm IPhone 4, I was told that the IPhone just worked, it did not have any bugs, Right??? No, Wrong,
The 4th Generation, Repeat 4th Generation and they still have not got it right…. lol…
Poor little IPhone/ICult members just remember if you want to make a call just hold it in right plane, and when you get a connection… DON’T MOVE!!!!
Oh and just don’t worry about the stains on the screen… they are free ;)
Don’t worry noobie! ….these iDolt Cultists or what I like to refer to as iNazis and their Fuhrer Steve iHitler Jobs with his craApple Supremacist mentality in their Turd Reich Boys Club….. will get their come upence soon enough! :P
There you go! I KNEW, if you tried you could send a message in correct English syntax and spelling,,,lol
Can you hear me now? LOL.
Bottom line is there will never be an iPhone kill
Android with its bootleg wanna-be OS can’t do it and their phones are on every carrier. You think Microsoft phone based off frigging Zune will dominate? LOL
@James “Android with it’s bootleg wanna-be OS”? haha….. Android OS itsef and Windows Phone’s roots are both older than Apple’s down ported shanked version of OS-X. Since you are lame enough to think such a thing here’s a truth BLAST for YOU!
Zune OS is based on Window CE Kernel which is a downport of NT microkernel. That was out before OS-X was and remember it was developed for Pocket PC phones…. like HTC’s first Touch Screen Smartphone iPaq, 5yrs before iPhone came out!
Android is the ONLY GROUND UP DESIGNED Touch Screen Mobile OS!!! That Andy Rubin grounded in the principles of “Location and User’s Personal Preferences” before Apple stole the concepts from his announcement in 2003. Two months later Android was Incorporated and work began. That was 1yr before Apple hired their first Touch Screen Engineer and began the 30 month development cycle of turning their iPod into an iPhone. Google knowing that Apple had stolen Andy’s concepts, bought Android in August of 2005.
Everyone knew then that Google intended to get into Touch Screen Smartphones in some way. Now since it was a ground up design, it takes longer, but the results are that the OS is particularly well suited for Mobile devices that were meant to use Location Awareness as well as User Preference Awareness.
The payoff is just beginning for Android. Which is slated to beat the Frack out of iOS by 2012 becoming 2nd only to Nokia’s Symbian on all mobile devices!
So stick that in your hat and eat it!!!
btw… Win Phone 7 may be right on iOS’s heels or ahead. Depending on the outcome of Nokia’s 11,000 Patent Portfolio Onslaught demolition of Apple! ….that is not looking too good and if they don’t settle on licensing (everyone else is paying Nokia for alone), Apple could be paying between $20 and $30 for each iPhone ever sold. Making for an over Billion Dollar Payoff to Nokia!!! …and that’s just the beginning!
http://betalabs.nokia.com/apps/silverlight
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And this is what they said about IBM, AOL, and countless others. The greatest thing about technology is that when you are least expecting it, someone comes out with a better product.
actually if you read my comments, i suggest the more OS’s the better
having a single OS/Phone dominate is not good for the consumer
but I am not a believer that just because something sells a few units, because the marketing is good, it makes it the best product
but unlike you it seems, I am not a ICult member, the IPhone is nothing special, never has been, and is along way from being special
I was pointing out to the ICult members who were making the claim the Apple only release very well finished off, Polished products, that they are far from reality
“Never be an IPhone Killer”, dude, your a bloody idiot
Right now I’m with Android but I would change tommorow if this comes to fruition. I want a world revolving around my Windows media centre, phone Xbox and exchange. I got into exchange late and I love it. Oh and Flash needs to be on this phone, Apple made a mistake there. We need Microsoft back in the game
“I know we can have push notifications on the iPhone and alerts on the Android but they both require some element of effort.”
God forbid that we actually have to put EFFORT into anything these days! Isn’t it a shame we have to push a few buttons to view updates !
Noobie, you are a full-blown retard. It’s hard to stomach some of your idiotic, misspelled, foolish posts. I’m neither an iPhone nor an Ms fanboy but looking at how stupidly passionate you are about this new Microsoft phone, which I’m sure will flop, (Zune anyone?) just for the sake of being against you and your Neanderthal behavior, I’m going to put in a bid for the iPhone. By the way, “iCult”?? Really? That’s the best you can come up with? By George, you are clever! In reality, you’re clearly an immature child who’s egregiously horrid at spelling and grammar. Please get off Microsoft’s jock and inroll yourself immediately into some grammar classes, you incessant imbecile.
Thank you much.
@Ralph you’re not welcome
noobie is passionate about whatever he’s talking about, trying to make yourself look smart by bashing him doesn’t necessarily make you better, so zip it. i’m sure when he said, iCult, he wasn’t going for the “QUIP OF THE YEAR” award, so stop trying.
stupid cow
don’t you mean ‘enroll’?? And one cannot ‘inroll into’ a grammar class. One would enroll ‘for’ a grammar class. Read Eat Shoots Leaves my friend and learn some proper Ingliz….!
er, you mean enroll ?? Tsk Tsk
Ralph, you have missed the point, i am not passionate about the IPhone or the WP7 or any other phone, it’s the garbage about the IPhone makes me throw up, a bit like you, and your second rate lowlife personal attacks… lol dude, you need to do better
If I can spell or not is really not the point, if you read the posts you would see I am happy to see more competition, more competition means better products at better prices, but I guess you did not work that out because you have an IQ lower than my dogs ass.
I can’t spell and you can’t comprehend English very well, right?
I don’t think it will be an iphone kilelr but Windows Phone can be succesfull
Lets face it, the iphone is a very good handset with great features. The only downfalls are:#1 AT&T SUCKS!
#2 NO FLASH resolve these issues and there is only one handset to have.
What about the fact that the I4 looses all signal when held in hand.
That’s a useless phone to me due to that
I’m soooo anxious to get Windows Phone 7 on a hardware platform similar and better than iPhone.
I am so sick of iPhone’s lousy battery life. I look forward to Windows Phone 7 on either HTC, LG, Samsung. Key is, long battery life please!!!!
Please kill iPhone!!!! The latest iPhone 4 is an over-hype.
I look forward to Windows Phone 7 with dual camera to make video conference on Skype, MSN Messenger, Yahoo Messenger, Gtalk Messenger.
Bill says July 04, 2010
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Please remove all the comments that do not deal with the phone ,operating system or features of the Win 7 phone or its competitors.
I cant wait for the debut so I can see what new phone I will switch to. Currently the iPhone 4(being returned within 30 days) Not liking the loss of signal when being held like a phone should .
This is AWESOME! FUCKING COOL dude…I love this man. I love to play xbox games on phone….FUCK OFF APPLE…
Lol. iPhone killer. How Many times has that been said?! Too bad windows sucks and the numbers show it. Even if the phone was somewhat decent, Microsoft has already started to dig their hole. There is no saving them.
Uh, Windows sucks? You mean the most dominant operating system in the world? LoL, ok.
what numbers are you talking about?
the 700 million or so copies of of the Windows OS that get sold in a year?
the number of developers on MS technologies, which means the day the Windows Phone 7 OS is released there will already be more developers for it than will ever be for the IPhone?
oh, and just so you know, because you obviously don’t, Windows Phone 7, is not a Phone, it’s an operating system for phones
If you want see a company who dig’s holes for it’s self, then Apple is your company, they used to own the home computer market, now they are no where, and they are doing the same things with the IPhone as they did with the MAC computers, restrict and control all aspects and in fact are now pulling back what little freedom there was e.g. there IPhone app’s. This is what kill the MAC, and this is where they will more than likely fail in the end with the IPhone
The IPhone 4 does not seem like much of a product, I have read on this discussion a few times now how make a well polished product, no defects, that’s what makes them better the MS, we the IPhone 4 just disproved that hypothesis don’t you think?
iPhone succeeded ONLY due to great marketing, and the lemmings of users who only want whats new and cool. Non tech savvy people who really know nothing about what it’s capable of vs. the alternative. Of all options currently available, the only smartphone of lower status would be the Blackberry. That’s not just my tech savvy opinion, that’s just tech savvy fact! I’m sorry but if you disagree, you are a moron…
@Wraith, This is the point I have been trying to also make
The success of apple is the Marketing, they created a “Fashioned Item”, sure the phone is nice, has a nice UI etc, but people are generally under the belief that this is something new and we have not see this technology before, but the reality is it is pretty much got nothing much more than my 5 or 6 year old windows phone, except maybe multi-touch screen, but this is not new technology either. It took the IPhone ages to even get 3G
The IPad is even more of a con in my view, e.g. the first version does not even have WiFi to connect to your main PC or laptop, I am sure there are some situations, work scenarios that an IPad may really suit, but my personal feeling is, I just take my laptop over an IPad any day
I’m totally excited about this phone! I can’t wait for it to come out. I’m an amature app developer and I aldeady have a couple of apps in the works for the platform. I’ve never used such a comprehensive and powerful development environment. Great job MS!
What a shame that as usual idiots get involved and ruin the comments. I thought it was an interesting article and am not a member of any OS cult.
It is a little sad that everyone gets so worked up over something like a phone OS!? Another case of kids being allowed online and thinking they’re big and clever by arguing in web site comments… oh dear.
I agree with pretty much everybody else grow up!
Greta looking OS though, will be interesting to see the impact on the market, and to see if Microsoft can follow the success of Windows 7 with winmo 7. Perhaps the start of a new MS golden age?
@noobie
i heard you use a nokia 1100? now thats some serious kit! specially holding the battery in with selotape, nice customization ;)
@steve
just because I point out the facts about the IPhone not being anything new or special and actually lacking in a few areas and that if you try say anything positive about MS you get attacked by ICult members, because they cannot handle the facts. Generally speaking because they don’t really have a clue, they are just repeating what they have heard from a buddy in the school yard and/or have swallowed the Apple media/propaganda and believe it.
This offends you? I guess you believe the apple marketing hype as well, you also want to be like Paris Hilton and have a IPhone? Well when you get a job, maybe you can save up and buy one ;)
Kudos to MS WinMo7 Team.. the Phone is great, Apps will be great becos MS is providing such a powerful development environment for designers and developers that u can get ur app in to windows marketplace in 1 week.
Can’t wait to get one windows phone 7
Oh dear god shut up
I love the game graphics on this phone it’s just like a smaller psp. But as of today, did this phone sell as much as iphones? As a gamer, I hope sony comes up with a phone with game console, like a psp phone haha.
I felt so strongly that WP7 is not an iphone killer that I wrote a blog post on it.
7 Reasons Why Windows Phone 7 is NOT the iPhone Killer. http://t3kd.us/a8
Appletards !
They are like a disease! ….an infestation that defies sanity. But they have a major surprise coming for their craptastic gutless hardware. 40 MILLION Xbox 360 Gamers are so going buy a WP7 Phone with Halo Next Gen, Gears of Wars Mobile Edition, CoD WP7 Live Edition, etc over crap Sims, Farmtown, and Bejewel slim version for iPwned4! xD
Hey fat boy Mathew, eat your stuffed tie iNazi shirt out fool! haha…. what are you going to say when WP7 Gamers are chatting via HD Voip 3G/4G in game while you losers are dinking on your farms dropping calls and crying about it to AT&T. When WP7 Phones will be blowing right past ya on your iHitler controlled garden wall prison w/o FLASH!!! :DDD
Jeez ,
perhaps you are taking this a bit too seriously? First of all,let me remind you that until windows 7 Microsoft pcs struggled to burn a DVD natively without 3rd party software. Windows media player still doesn’t play DVDs without extra codecs, so you are bloody dreaming if you think anyone is really going to be playing xbox live on a freaking phone. I could believe it if anything phone wise, Microsoft had done before actually looked like it was gonna be supported long term.
I have to agree this ,is a Microsoft fan boy article, if such thing still actually exists. The fact is Microsoft just can’t be arced anymore. Just look at the zine, so called iPod killer. What a joke that was. Did it ever come out in the uk? Nope, why? Shite…that’s why. The iPhone has already claimed it’s status in history love it or loathe it. Nothing will ever kill it. It may cease to remain relevant but it changed the game and that can’t be undone. Microsoft just don’t make the effort anymore and any windows phone will reflect that just as their slightly disappointing operating systems have repeatedly shown.
Microsoft … you’re a disgrace. Go and sit in the corner, Apple have surpassed you.
@ Prof who should know better! The only way Apple has surpassed anybody is in picking your pockets with cheap products made with cheaper parts, they can’t and don’t make themselves. They sell one size fits all generic products w/ design flawed external antennas you HOLD! btw.. all models have external antennas, it’s just that iP4 has two more ‘em.. haha… idiot!
Apple doesn’t hold a candle to the REAL #1 PHONE MAKER….. Samsung. That also makes over 70% of iPad parts and 50% of iPhone parts costs for Apple’s cheap attempt to mimic Galaxy Series Phones parts & FEATURES. But someone with your paper tiger asinine credentials should be able to figure that all out. Maybe even realize that not only is Galaxy cheaper for the masses of the World to buy, but it’s better and has newer parts and features than any phone on the market today. That’s from a Corporate Conglomerate that uses puny soft assets only companies like Apple to wipe their ass with!!!
Don’t believe me? Every year they trade off the #1 Electronics Manufacturing Giant in the World position with one of two other Giants, LG and Siemens. This year #2 because they’re investing over 12 Billion Dollars in New Fabrication Plants, like the one they recently put in Texas….. Smart Ass!!!
At least Microsoft is smart enough to ask a fair price and put together products on more than one wireless carrier in one of the larger markets on this planet. At least they are smart enough to put together two platforms that totally dominate desktops with a Game Platform with it’s 40,000,000 Hard Core Gamer base. That will most likely crush first day sales records at the launch of it’s WP7 with REAL GAMES and Real Business Features….. instead of only being capable of Syncing with Microsoft Exchange! haha…
You make me laugh with your title included in your name when you don’t have the brains to come out of the rain. When you should most likely just go back to school and preach your ignorance of the Real World! ;-) …with your Arrogance On Overload… just like CrApple’s!
Interesting read. Wifey and I are still on the outside looking in (at the smartphone market) and need to make a decision this Fall. It was b/t the iPhone and Droid until Jobs botched the iP 4 response. We’ll have to pay more attention to W7 in the months ahead.
All Respected Readers !! Now Time to MS bounce back,
WP7 will going to 2nd position in mobile domain in 2011 amd 1st position in Q4 of 2012.
If anybody linking up the external and internal factor then Easly predict the Result (but Remember “Exception always create new Dimentions”).
If 80% Hardware vendor going for WP7, then Who can stop WP7 to become 1st position (please also consider WinCE long R&D and Power behind it).
Might some body now understand my WORDS or wait for 2012, RESULT will Echo !!
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Liked the article, just another perspective. No questions, iPhone is a great start. 7 is good, completely dynamic and different phone. Waiting to see hardware innovation with better battery.
Can’t understand why everyone is busy bashing others’ OS. None is perfect, but none is bad either. And its not a bad idea to cherish more than 1 platform. Or is it so?
Actually I think most OS’s are good and some are better for some people. But it’s arrogance of one particular OS’s users that bug me most. The who are not content to just use their OS and like Nazis try to raise theirs above all others. That used to be Windows users primarily. But now they seem to have just become people and if there is one group of users that maintains it’s ULTIMATE STATUS OF ARROGANCE, IT’S APPLE USERS!
There….. I’m afraid that ARROGANCE has become a RELIGION as narrow and close minded as a group of SELF FOCUSED FOLLOWERS as iNazis can be!!!…. usually that takes a leader of demagogue Steve iHitler Jobs! Microsoft lost their Demagogue in Gates, but CrApple’s is still kicking and it’s such a shame to see him FLAUNT his ARROGANCE as the ONE and ONLY TRUE RELIGION OS COMPANY and see the Ignorant ones that FOLLOW him like a GOD!!!
I have actually made this point a couple of times, more choice is a good thing, better for the consumer, better to drive future developments
i found that other peoples said that the windows phone 7 doesn’t support application from previous winwo 6.1, 6.5….that’s means we need all new fresh apps that create only for winphone 7, but still wish to give it a try, this is a very cool, attractive interface os device.
The Windows Phone 7 hooks this all together in a way that puts the market on its head. Instead of emulating what others have done, Microsoft has taken a radical approach to the phone.
I have an iPhone 3G. I really enjoy using it, but I don’t like how crap the specs are compared to what’s available now. Yes, I know it’s an older model. When the iPhone 4′s specs were announced, I was pretty happy about it and looking forward to it. Then I read about all the problems it’s having. Right now, my iPhone works great, but I’m living abroad. When I move back to NYC, the only option is AT&T, and they just outright suck for service there. So… the iPhone 4 is effectively gimped due to antenna issues and the service provider they locked themselves to. That leaves me considering other options. I’ll likely wind up with an Android phone simply because I don’t want to deal with AT&T’s crap service. Why sign up for what I know will be a headache?
I have to agree this ,is a Microsoft fan boy article, if such thing still actually exists. The fact is Microsoft just can’t be arced anymore. Just look at the zine, so called iPod killer. What a joke that was. Did it ever come out in the uk? Nope, why? Shite…that’s why. The iPhone has already claimed it’s status in history love it or loathe it. Nothing will ever kill it. It may cease to remain relevant but it changed the game and that can’t be undone. Microsoft just don’t make the effort anymore and any windows phone will reflect that just as their slightly disappointing operating systems have repeatedly shown.
This is a fanboy article because it projects Microsoft in a positive view? I received an iPhone as a gift and it is nothing to write home about. You, sir, are a fanboy. My Nexus One kills the iPhone in every way except maybe in battery life, but you’ve probably never used one. Nothing will ever kill it? Keep sucking Steve Jobs cock you moron. Plus, what is a zine? When you learn to spell people may take your opinion seriously. Even Apple backed of MS-bashing when Windows 7 came out, because it is just as good, if not better, than Apple’s OS.
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Are they still chasing Apple. The down fall is in the title- Windows.
Whatever the pros and cons of the different OS, it’s always good for the consumer to have multiple strong players in a market. And we are in a convergent age so if the 7 takes us a step further to bringing it all together, that has to be a good thing.
Microsoft wants to be like Apple. Always have, always will. Zunes fell right on it’s face, and so will this. People want something nice to hold in their hands. Microsoft makes garbage, from the software, to the case that holds it together. (with the exception of Win 7) Does anyone remember the 68% failure rate of the Xbox 360s? lol Still, best of luck to Windows. It’s got to be hard riding Apple’s coat tail for 30 years.
Apple trails Android and Android trails the Blackberry, IPhone was never the best seller people think is was, but the ads were good.
Microsoft have about 90% of the PC OS share, Apple is less than 10%, I remember when Apple owned the PC market, they lost it to Microsoft who blow them clean our of the water
The same is now happening to the IPhone, it’s become boring, not such a “Fashion Item” anymore, which all it ever was
The IPad was a flop, it’s already been over taken by the Kindle and the Jap. brands have an array of products which blow the IPad away both in Price and in Features
Time to stop smoking “Crack” Luke and rejoin the real world mate ;)
I love reading these posts and usually don’t post much on the internet, due to the lack of time I have. But I found this blog to be kind of interesting. For one good luch to the people supporting the iPhone! So on that note, if you would take one second out of your life and realize the best thing about having these phones is the usefull applications and the ability to find out information in the palm of your hand. Just think about how many Microsoft .NET developers there are out there that can build the best apps by the millions, many more than Apple. So before you shoot Windows 7 phone down, stop and think there are way more Windows users in this entire world, and most of them will have the Windows Phone 7, expecially when it works along side of their PC. At home and at work.
I have also tried to make this point, the fact they are using SIlverlight means there are “X” amount people who know the basics of how to built an app for the phone on the day it is released, basically no learning curve, there are a heap Silverlight applications which can be converted to run on the phone already built etc. etc.
But there are a lot of IPhone cult members, who wish to hammer anyone who says anything that is not supporting the IPhone
Both phones are amazing, and I would take either without hesitation. :] Now can’t we all have peace? ;D
It’s good to have a diverse marketplace. I currently have an Android device, but I wouldn’t have it if the iPhone didn’t innovate on top of WinMo’s established features. In turn, the Android is showing Microsoft where the current boundaries are so they can exceed them. Three players pushing the market is very very good for consumers, even if you don’t want to buy it.
But, this article is marketing fluff trying it’s hardest to promote instead of offer insight. Saying Android doesn’t support Exchange sync is a lie… I’ve had Outlook mail/calendar push integration on my android for over a year and I’ve had no problems. Misleading your readers will lose you readers.
A changing market due to Nokia’s adherence to outmoded Symbian may well create a chance for Windows Phone 7 to become a relevant mobile OS:
http://thesecondopiniontribune.blogspot.com/2010/10/why-windows-phone-7-may-have-chance.html
This is so comical. A fluffy marketing piece to quote another commenter. How much is MS paying you to write this stuff?
Millions actually. Want some?
Personalliy I don’t get a phone until it’s been out a while and there are plenty of reviews on places like GSMArena. Previews and pre release reviews never really take in to account aspects like general day to day use and the little annoyances a mobiles can have.
Being a .NET developer anyhow creating apps should be a doddle but I still have a massive love of Android and it’s API. I would never go IPhone just from the locked down nature of the device and Objective C, I’ve always considered Apple products to be for management types and non power users, I’d always prefer to be able to download the open source OS and mod it if I wanted.
Well the tiles look out of place, the apps are few in comparison to android and iphone. No real presence of strong app makers. Nothing really special other than playing catchup to apple/android.
Ya we know your paid by ms to write this based on your illustrations alone.
And apple isn’t really locked down as far as development goes. It has some nuances, but so does XNA. as far as money is concerned iPhone will make you the most. And Objective C is easy as pie with opengl es.
This article doesn’t point out one reason why the windows 7 will be better though. It’s very disappointing. I thought there would atually be information, rather it’s a plug in trying to make you think andriod and iphone doesn’t have these features, which have been present for at least 3 years.
nice try tho.
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like i have a computer in my hand
Since I read this I have finally understood that win phone 7 has really not a lot of advantages over iPhone’s iOs 4.
One is Microsoft office, second is, maybe, better syncing opportunities (thou I have all well-synced on my iPhone and PC using Microsoft exchange).
A disadvantage is that no one is sure about ability of jail-braking the WP7…
yeah you forgot another advantage that Windows 7 Phones have over the iphone, and that is Xbox live…
Wow someone is taking some great drugs. Tiles look better?!?!?!
The author apparently has very little experience with the computer industry in general. Microsoft is a “sleeping giant?” The word is dying Dinosaur.
CEO of Digital Tomorrow Today? Order is wrong. Digital Today tomorrow is the Win 7 phone.
Well the WP7 is pretty awesome. But it’s not iPhone killer. It can be a good competitor to it, but that’s all it is…a competitor. I agreed with most of what you said until you went on to the apps part. Man, there are some very good apps on the android and the iPhone, but not on the WP7. I recently searched for Pandora Radio on my Quantum and couldn’t find it.
I really do like my WP7. It’s very helpful. And I mostly, had to agree with the music and the tiles. I mean if you’re the type of person who likes to have stuff look cool, but disorganized then the iPhone is fine. But the WP7 basically files things for you and you can make it so then it’s what you want now. It’s so easy to look for what I need. And the tiles make it easy.
Would like it though if it allowed you to have your own ringtones…
Windows 7 phone,sounds like the best thing ever.
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Please knowone buy a windows phone 7. i have the HTC surround 7 right now with windows 7 and it is the worst smart phone i have ever owned. I have owned an Iphone, Blackberry curve, a sony xperia x10 and now this piece of shit. I could really go on and on aabout all the shit things about it but i would be here all day :) a few things i hate are no custom ringtones, no updated software, if your in canada no zune marketplace, internet explorer is a joke, the apps for it and marketplace is by far the worst selection i’ve seen in along time, and there are many other reasons. oh and btw its so called HD 720p recording looks like maybe 480i its crap! Out of all the phones i’ve owned the Iphone is the true king. so please everyone dont buy a windows phone! i feel embarrassed just letting anyone know i have a windows phone… its really that bad. :)
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